ANDY MARTIN
Post Office Box 1851
New York, NY 10150-1851
Toll-free tel. (866) 706-2639
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tel. (917) 664-9329
Plaintiff pro se
CIRCUIT COURT OF THE FIRST CIRCUIT
STATE OF HAWAII
CIVIL NUMBER: 08-1-2147-10 BIA
EMERGENCY MOTION
FOR ORDER TO SHOW CAUSE
ANDY MARTIN,
Plaintiff,
vs.
LINDA LINGLE, in her
Official capacity as Governor
Of the State of Hawai’i,
DR. CHIYOME FUKINO, in her
official capacity as Director
of the Department of Health,
Defendants.
_________________________________
EMERGENCY MOTION FOR ORDER TO SHOW CAUSE
Plaintiff ANDY MARTIN (“Plaintiff”), pro se, respectfully moves this Court on an emergency basis for an Order to Show Cause (“OSC”) directing the defendants to show cause on or before October 22, 2008 at a hearing before this Court why the relief requested by the Plaintiff should not be granted.
1. This lawsuit does not involve complicated or disputed facts.
2. Time is of the essence because Plaintiff would like to write columns and articles about the Birth Certificate before November 3, 2008.
3. Plaintiff is physically present in Hawai’i and is available to appear before the Court in person at any hearing on or before October 22, 2008.
4. There is intense national interest in access to an officially certified copy of the birth certificate in question as well as any related supporting information which the defendants may have in their possession.
5. A proposed OSC is attached to this Emergency Motion.
Dated: Honolulu, Hawai’i, October 17, 2008
Respectfully submitted,
ANDY MARTIN
Plaintiff Pro se
October 19, 2008 at 4:38 pm |
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October 19, 2008 at 6:49 pm |
If the requested documents existed, doesn’t a prudent individual conclude that they would have been released by now? There really is no reason not to release them.
October 20, 2008 at 5:07 pm |
I hope Andy and Phil Berg deliver the October surprise. Inquisitive this guy is dirty and does not deserve to be the most powerful dictator in the World.
Obama is a Communist!
October 22, 2008 at 9:59 pm |
I couldn’t get a passport because I did not have an original copy of my birth certificate.
This guy doesn’t have one and half of America want to give this Muslim sleeper our NUCLEAR MISSILE LAUNCH CODES????
October 22, 2008 at 10:07 pm |
Obama is not a Muslim, no matter how many times you say it. His birth certificate has been released, and it’s from Hawaii. And even if he was born in a foreign country, the fact that his mother was a US citizen makes him a US citizen. (Read the Constitution). McCain was born in the Panama Canal zone, does that make him a foreigner, too?
October 22, 2008 at 10:19 pm |
McCain born on US military base(US soil) therefore a citizen- nice try though.
October 22, 2008 at 10:19 pm |
Obama is an Islamist and a Communist, you know like the FLN in Algeria in the early 60’s.
Oh, AND and he is part of the radical New Left, because, you know, Statists just love religions than supercede state authoriry and also love to throw bombs at states. The more self-contradictory your delusions are, the more you take it as evidence of conspiracy and not the possibility that you are wrong. Seriously, people, do I need to alert the Party Mullah’s to put more meds in your beer?
October 22, 2008 at 10:21 pm |
You People Are Idiots:
Hey if Obama is not a Muslim then why did he change his name? Why won’t Osama just simply answer the lawsuit?
October 22, 2008 at 10:26 pm |
Obama’s a muslim – Khadafi says so.
Obama was born of a muslim, therefore he’s a muslim. It’s in the Koran, it’s Sharia law.
He “may” be a christian, but he may also be practicing taquiya (lying to an infidel, which is allowed, by the Koran), telling us what WE want to believe, which is then “our” truth.
You need to read more guy. McCain’s birth is covered under constitutional law, just as an embassy is by international agreement US (or German, French, et.) soil, so too is a military base.
Barry Soetero was born in Kenya, his family (sister and brother still live there) says so, he was adopted by his step-father there. There is NO record of his birth at Kapiolani OR Queen’s hospitals in Honolulu.
You gotta get your facts right. I mean you need to get THE facts right, yours are screwed up badly.
October 22, 2008 at 10:26 pm |
You People are idiots,
Obama shared an office with a domestic terrorist by the name of Bill Aires as recently as 2006. Bill Aires openly admits his guilt regarding his organizations that killed several Americans through acts of terrorism. In fact Aires made some of the bombs that killed these people.
Obama couldn’t even get a job with the FBI or CIA because of link to Bill Aires, so what makes you think he is fit to be president?
October 22, 2008 at 10:27 pm |
Hey ‘Read the Book’ man. If he is a Muslim Sleeper shouldn’t he change is name to Johnny Says? or something whitebread like that?
seriously, what is with you people? do you honestly think that it will help McCain or whoever the RNC puts up next time for the entire country (and world) to think that conservatives have nothing left in the tank but desperate conspiracy theories? What the hell is wrong with you? Grow the fuck up.
October 22, 2008 at 10:32 pm |
listen… we forgive you. we need everyone to get out of the current situation. the best way for you to us both to show our patriotism is to put aside the ideology, stop calling each other ‘enemy’ and build a better America in a better world. Because… sorry to say, the Old America is gone. It just is. Sorry about that.
October 22, 2008 at 10:41 pm |
He is black, bulletproof, what did you expect…..
October 22, 2008 at 10:49 pm |
This is for the person who wrote on 10-22-08 and said “idiots” to those individuals who are deeply concern about the future of this country.
” You are the idiot and only you”.
My mother was very young as well and had me out side of the USA and she(mother) was born and raised in Claremont California first generation Portuguese and because I was born South of the border, but lived for the first 9 years of my life in Los Angeles, California, we had to go back into that country and wait for my paper work to be processed before she a US Citizen was allowed to come back into U.S. Soil and even then the “naturalization process” took several year. So do not, I say do not say that because that Obamas’ mother was young and a U.S. Citizen that Kid was automatically a U.S child. that is not true for an average citizen giving birth to a child outside of the U.S.A.
As for Mr McCain, you “IDIOT” his parent was in the Military Serving our Country. For their children the application is quite different. Those children born to our military personal are truly U.S. Citizens no matter where they are born.
So now Obama is going to Hawaii, he might be going to pick up a generated MADE up birth certificate???
What do you think??
All of my brother have served in the Military and now all of my nephews are in Iraq, to keep you, you Idiot safe.
October 22, 2008 at 10:55 pm |
Rosemary, thanks to your family for their service.
the guy wasn’t suggesting that McCain was not a citizen.
Why, why, why do you think there is such an insistence among some people, beyond boundaries of reason that the same people apply to other parts of their lives, that Obama is some kind of dangerous alien? Pick your danger and alien (communist, muslim, terrorist, foreigner, funny salad eater, etc.)
The guy is American as it gets. I hope you are still on America’s side on Nov. 5th.
October 22, 2008 at 11:14 pm |
We think that it is possible “Grandma” might just suddenly pass away on purpose if you understand our point. That is if he can’t get a forged copy of the Birth Certificate.
October 22, 2008 at 11:19 pm |
You People are Acting Idiodically,
Obama is dangerous no matter how you look at it!
The man has no experience what so ever and has no clue when it comes to national security. Right now more then our nation needs to be secure. Our enemies will take full advantage of Obama’s inexperience.
Obama has already lied to us seveal times during the debates.
He wants to penalize people for making over 250,000 dollars and then the following week he says how he loves Joe the Plumber that makes 250k a year and that Obama is going to give him a tax break! What is it Obama?
Obama couldn’t even pass the background check required by the FBI or CIA!
How can he become president?
October 22, 2008 at 11:23 pm |
Obama was born a Muslim but converted to Christianity; that is great. The Ayers link scares me, however. And the media is really in the tank for him. Palin is beat up almost every day and yet Biden seems to get little if any coverage on his past and present mishaps.
October 22, 2008 at 11:27 pm |
You People are Still Idiots Says,
“stop calling each other ‘enemy’ and build a better America in a better world.”
First and fore most, you said, “he change is name to Johnny Says? or something whitebread like that?”
you are a racist!!!!!
No wonder why you are pulling the handle for Obama! You are voting because he is half black.
You just lost all of your creditability with me because you are casting your vote by the persons physical attributes rather then is politcal views!
October 22, 2008 at 11:28 pm |
Why didn’t he just buy a birth certificate over the net ?
Pelosi could’ve gotten him one.
October 22, 2008 at 11:38 pm |
GET IT RIGHT! IT IS A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN! Unless you were a US Citizen at the time the constitution was written.
October 22, 2008 at 11:45 pm |
Many of you are missing the point. It doesn’t matter if the candidate is a Democrat or a Republican. What matters is the rule of law. Unfortunately, many in this country (especially on the left) have thrown that out the window long ago. The end justifies the means, right.
The Constitution is very clear about this issue, if you are not born in this country, YOU CANNOT RUN FOR THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT!!!!
We will open up a huge can of worms if we ignore this.
October 22, 2008 at 11:45 pm |
If he an AMERICAN CITIZEN let him prove it.
As I understand it, His mother was under age when she left the U.S. and did not meet the requirement for her child to be a U.S. Citizen, the farther is not a citizen. At most he might be a naturalize citizen!
October 22, 2008 at 11:45 pm |
I don’t care what color Obama is – - I don’t care if he has lunch every day with Bill Ayers — I don’t care if he is planning on building a basketball court in the White House.
I care about the fact that he cannot , and will not keep us safe in a National Emergency. If he gets word that Muslims are aboard a hijacked jets headed for Times Square, the Golden Gate Bridge, and
the Hooever Dam simultaneously, he will want to sit down with Kadahfi,
Odinga, Castro, Chavez et al, and have a dialog with them to see what the United States’ response should be.
That is, after he gets his family and friends on the fastest jets out of the Country.
The Presidency is not an entry-level position, for on-the-job training, and it requires some level of demonstrated devotion and duty to our Country.
October 22, 2008 at 11:53 pm |
Does this surprise anyone? Anybody remember Edgar Allen Poe’s, “The Tell Tale Heart”? Oh the irony of it all. Only a master at smearing his opponents to the ground could come up with a “fight the smears” website, all the while diverting attention away from his own faults. Nothing is 100% fireproof or fool proof Mr. Obama; by the way, is that smoke coming out of your suit? Obama, you certainly are a sensation, but you’re no saint by any stretch of the imagination! Let’s get this straight, neither you nor ANYBODY is above being challenged!
October 23, 2008 at 12:15 am |
obama went to fancy college to be alawyer did he pass the bar exam or did he cheat his way thru college because if he did not take test there is a good chance he knew he could not cut it as lawyer that is why he took the easy route by being apolitcian jimmy hoffa and randi weingarten did the same
October 23, 2008 at 12:16 am |
Obama has no experience…F*** Obama!! F*** McCain!! Politics & Crime, there the same thing.
October 23, 2008 at 12:17 am |
If Obama wins I will never view my country the same way again. I believed in the work and sacrifice it took to build this nation. Slowly but surely it’s foundation has been worn down and the silent majority brain washed into a state unconciousness. Countries like N. Korea, Iran, china and Russia will be ready for the coming weakening of America if and when Obama is elected.
October 23, 2008 at 12:18 am |
you liberal bloggers use profanity because it makes you feel better and it assists you in covering your ignorance about poli-sci 101, your own constitution,& of course the words to our national anthem …if you wish to wait in line for quack doctors arriving in droves from abroad to dispense medicine.. then vote for B. Hussein, O… better yet move to europe or canada they already have perfected their twisted socialized med model… better yet take B. O. and the rest of the multiculturalists and move and start your own country somewhere…by the way you elitist dummies… you’re hypocrites because if obama was not50% white and had a darker hue of skin you would not be filling stadiums to see him unless he was on american idol……………………………….. no thanks B.O… keep the chump CHANGE..GOD help us from this imposter
October 23, 2008 at 12:28 am |
We are in real trouble here, watch the grandma and all here information disappear , I dont think he is an a American. I beleive he went there to get paper work that will prove he is from Africa. He needs to be tried for treason, as well as his sopporters. I love our country, we dont need him. My family has fought for our country for 3 generations, and will continue,GOD BLESS AMERICA !!!!
October 23, 2008 at 12:32 am |
If Barack fails to produce proof of American citizenship the elections should be paused for a period of time to allow Arnold an opportunity to run for the President as well. Yes, Arnold der Terminator!!!
October 23, 2008 at 12:44 am |
If a Child is born to a American abroad. Does that child have to be registered with an American embassy within three months to be declared an American citizen? Where are those papers?
October 23, 2008 at 12:49 am |
you know what you people really are fucking disgusting.
i can’t wait until we have you all in pens and can poke you with sticks.
WE built this country, hoss. YOU can go off to your delusional homestead up yonder and close yourself off from the “foreigners.” The other 6 Billion people can and will get along just fine without you.
Goodbye Old America
October 23, 2008 at 12:54 am |
Senator Obama is going to visit his ailing grandmother. There is a good chance that she could die before the election. Add 10 percent for a sympathy vote. Brilliant tactical move, for a man who several months ago referred to her as his “Racist White Grandmother”.
His September trip to Hawaii was made right after Mr. Berg served him with interrogatories. His October trip to Hawaii is after he failed to answer those questions to the court in a timely fashion. No connection, eh?
Aloha, Barry.
No Ka Oi, from your friends from Punahou, where you tried to pass yourself off as a Fijian (Hawaiians hate Popolo’s)
October 23, 2008 at 12:56 am |
Do you think it will make any difference anyway?? The people that support him don’t give a fig about the truth (they can’t handle the truth) or the law. They would follow him over the nearest cliff anywhere.
October 23, 2008 at 12:58 am |
This is crazy? Shouldn’t the federal government, the beaurocrats supposedly representing “We The People” verify the constitutionally required citizenship of a candidate running for President?? Private citizens have to sue corrupt Democrat State functionaries to get to the truth? Where’s Waldo? That’s right, looting the Treasury, pissing a trillion a year down the toilet in Iraq and dreaming about having Laura give Africa another 40 billion in “aid”. We’re screwed.
October 23, 2008 at 1:00 am |
I know Obama is a fake and lier but i hope the rest of america know this befor they put him in office were he dose not belong
October 23, 2008 at 1:00 am |
God help us if this socialist is elected. Of corses it is probably what we deserve with the dumbing down of our population. Read Orwells 1984, it is chilling, and more true today than ever before. I will follow Michael in his effort to get our Republic back. Will you?
October 23, 2008 at 1:02 am |
I am surprised the Libs are so entangled with a man that truely likes Marxist Ideas , When he has control they will soon see they are in more trouble then those that are of conservative beleafs , we conserv’s are willing to work and those that seek gov. welfare are not , well if history has not shown to those lib idiots that Marxisim will not tolerate lazy people then GOD help them. I think either way the libs are in for a rude awakening !!
October 23, 2008 at 1:02 am |
What is America becoming? is the question. When I was a child, manufacturing and agriculture sectors of our society were the middle class families I adored; and now, I don’t know. With an amnesty for illegals, McCain nearly succeeded in effecting a chain migration that, according to the estimates provided by the CIA think tank, Heritage Foundation, could have resulted in an additional 100 million immigrants arriving on US soil within ten years. Even now, we don’t water streatming down the Colorado to provide one drop off overflow back to the ocean, and you might have noticed the slowly emptying Lake Mead and others. So the morally equivalent Obama, as promissed shall provide the ultimate amnesty to all the peoples of the world and has further promised to increase the penalties for “Hate Crimes” for those who descend from the European heritage. He’s a racist and he’s not an American. Not by a long shot. Just ask yourself this simple question: Would George Washington or Lincoln vote for him? Both men nationalist and conservative. For all you Obama supporters who obvious hate America, please leave on the next transport to that wonderful third-world nation you’re so interested in making this awesome God fearing country into.
October 23, 2008 at 1:04 am |
I go to a school filled with a bunch of left wing people and I absolutley hate it. Everyone gangs up on me just because of what I believe in, but when I say something bad about Obama I am called a racist. I hate what this country has become but I am so happy that kids my age cannot vote…
If Obama gets elected we will all suffer…and if he doesn’t, only whites will.
This is what our country has become…
October 23, 2008 at 1:07 am |
I have lived in this country for 45 years, I have never heard of one American that was named Obama. It’s not rocket science! In God we trust!
October 23, 2008 at 1:08 am |
Obama is not a communist, a muslim, a terrorist or even a foreigner. Get real.
After 8 years of “Regular Americans” driving the pickup into the ground, it is about time.
You all need to put down the pot pipe, take a deep breath of American oxygen, and realize that there IS NO conspiracy to cover up or discover.
Whatever country develops the best sustainable energy and infrastructure technology will rule the 21st century, and the Republicans are nominating a VP that doesn’t believe in science.
Seriously, people.
October 23, 2008 at 1:08 am |
Right truck. The libs or useful idiots as I like to call them will be the first to go when the socialists and then communists take over. What’s really crazy is the support of the minorities, gays and secular Jews. The useful idiots are ignorant of history. They act out of hatred of themselves, their parents and this country. As Savage brilliantly says “liberalism is a mental disorder” there can be no other explanation.
October 23, 2008 at 1:11 am |
If Obama was born in Hawaii then his mother must have been residing in Hawaii when he was born. There should be records of where she was residing. There must be people alive who were residing in that neighborhood at that time. Why haven’t the media sought them out and interviewed them? If his mother was in and out of the country let’s see her passport. The State Department should have records documenting her travels. Same goes for Obama.
Why hasn’t he been subjected to an in depth back-ground investigation, such as anyone seeking a high level security clearance is subjected to?
October 23, 2008 at 1:17 am |
Katy,
Keep the faith!! My kids are also somewhat in the minority as conservatives. One lib teacher is trying to knock my daughter out her #2 rank out of 480 seniors based on his arbitrary liberal bias. He gives the kids an inappropriate essay on who they support in this election (in a 20th Century History Class) and then grades according to his bias. I’m not letting that stand.
You will find that there are other like minded individuals and they are better people. A lot of young people tend to be liberal and as they mature they wise up. A lot however, never wise up. They’re not worth your time. Read Jon Voight’s interview on being a conservative and I think it’ll cheer you up. You are smart and strong and that’s why you think they way you do.
October 23, 2008 at 1:19 am |
Within one year of an Obama presidency, the same people who elected
him, will be howling for his impeachment,
October 23, 2008 at 1:21 am |
Sorry to tell you this Gary; He ain’t ‘BULLIT PROOF’…
October 23, 2008 at 1:24 am |
Hell! Obama has even written in his autobiography that he was at one time was a drug addict!!!!! You can’t even get a job as a police officer in most ciities if you admitted to trying or using drugs! And Obama has made it this far!
Obama openly admits to using cocain: Strike one!
Obama directly connected to Bill Ayers: Strike two!
Obama’s lack of experience: Strike three!
Obama’s citizenship status: Strike four!
The man is just not worthy of any elected positon in our government, especially the highest seat in our government.
Wake up people!
Liberals I can understand why you worship Obama, you have a mental disorder and may God help you!
October 23, 2008 at 1:24 am |
Hey communist, muslim, terrorist, foreigner
October 23, 2008 at 1:26 am |
I demand a vote on the most idiotic statement !
October 23, 2008 at 1:26 am |
duh_swami,
Good point! This is what the madness of liberalism creates!
This is why liberalism has been coined a mental disorder by so many.
They fight to get him elected and soon as he is, they want him impeached!
October 23, 2008 at 1:27 am |
The media had everything on the background of Joe the Plumber within two days. Obama’s background is still unknown. Amazing.
October 23, 2008 at 1:28 am |
all you people just whine to each other about how persecuted you feel.
each and every Michael Savage listener and Andy Martin fan NEEDS to read
the Turner Diaries and read it now. You want to know what happens next (if you all
have the American common sense?) then get yourself two, one for you and one for a friend.
http://www.tworca.org/TurnerDiaries.pdf
October 23, 2008 at 1:29 am |
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October 23, 2008 at 1:33 am |
Publius,
Thank you. I had a teacher in 8th grade for US history who was the exact same way. She always tried to grade me down for my opinions but she never could because I had good arguments…that was 8th grade though and it has gotten a lot worse. My anatomy teacher has a “bi, gay, transgender safe zone” sticker on his wall. He is gay and he pushes his way of life on his students, which I think is completely wrong. His website is full of gay right videos and quotes and it really makes me uncomfortable. I’m not really anti-gay or anything…I just don’t like having it shoved down my throat.
October 23, 2008 at 1:37 am |
Nobama nobama oh no Bama
October 23, 2008 at 1:38 am |
“Obama is not a Muslim, no matter how many times you say it. His birth certificate has been released, and it’s from Hawaii. And even if he was born in a foreign country, the fact that his mother was a US citizen makes him a US citizen. (Read the Constitution).”
He may not be a Muslim, not that it matter Constitutionally since the Constitution prohibits religious tests for office. However his Birth Certificate has not been released, only some bad photos of a Certificate of Live Birth, with selected portions shown in somewhat better photos. But the CLB and a Birth Certificate are not the same thing. The BC would should what hospital, what doctor (or midwife), etc. In Hawaii, anyone can file information on a birth, even sometime after the fact. Even if the CLB is authentic, it doesn’t show name changes, adoptions, etc. the BC would.
October 23, 2008 at 1:40 am |
This is conservatism?-
OK, so where have you been getting your information? I’m guessing CNN. Have you read anything or watched anything besides that? Watch Hannity & Colmes. It describes Obama’s relationship with Ayers IN DETAIL. If you actually knew more about it then maybe you would think differently. Much like most liberals. I’ve had enough of people like you (living in California) and I’m only 16! I can’t believe how ignorant Obama supporters are, and they say conservatives are. It’s unbelievable.
October 23, 2008 at 1:42 am |
His trip to Hawaii is for two reasons; to suppress any documents that show he is naturalized and not natural born, and to obtain a birth certificate doctored in his favor with the official Hawaii embossed seal. I’m sure strings have been pulled with some of the millions of dollars he has raised being paid to someone at the Hawaii Division of Records.
The guy is so deceitful it is sickening.
October 23, 2008 at 1:43 am |
Let’s see……
Obama himself said in an interview:
“MY MUSLIM FAITH” (then tried to correct that to Christian)
He also said he was going to campaign in “ALL 57 STATES”
(there are only 52 American states BUT there ARE 57 ISLAMIC STATES)
He has been corresponding with Prime Minister Odinga of Kenya who is systematically killing off Christians and instituting Sharia Law in Kenya.
He associates with the finest people Wright, Ayers, etc.
And now this birth question? When will you liberals open your eyes?!
October 23, 2008 at 1:44 am |
Barrack HUSSEIN Obama
Hi folks, why does the news and his campaign insist we don’t use his entire name, or frown on those who use his Muslim middle name?. Why does the news not tell you that he is anti second amendment ?. (he wants our guns).
Why did B.O. vote not to render medical attention to a baby that survived a late term abortion?. When did you ever hear him say “let’s win the war”. He’s a PACIFIST !. WHY WON’T HE PRODUCE A LEGITIMATE BIRTH CERTIFICATE FOR EXAMINATION ?. How could he attend a hate mongoring church for twenty years and claim to be a Christian ?. Rev Wright quote ” God damn America” . Yeah God fearing pastor, what a joke.
October 23, 2008 at 1:45 am |
Let’s not quibble about these two pieces of garbage any more. The fact of the problem is, is that this country is in serious trouble, and there is no one whome can repair it. We the taxpayers are screwed either way. Obama and MCcain are both liers and phoneys. Let us see how we can bring back our economy, jobs, house values & most importantly, the drive-in movie theatre once again!!
October 23, 2008 at 1:47 am |
He’s going to Hawaii to visit granny, plunder her apartment and destroy the birth certificate. In his mind, “Granny’s gotta go”
October 23, 2008 at 1:49 am |
HI Katy,
I saw the H&C piece which is where I first heard of the raving nutjob known as Andy Martin. Thanks for asking.
Am I just curious, answer if you like…
What for you is the worst case scenario that is directly or indirectly implied by what you feel to be the dangerous association with Ayers? The facts are the facts (I don’t believe they imply anything problematic and you do) So I’m curious what they MEAN to you, as a 16 year old.
Is it just a sign of “bad judgment” as McCain says or something more apocalyptic and sinister.
Tell us a story about how bad it could get. I’m seriously and genuinely interested.
October 23, 2008 at 1:51 am |
We are turning into Europe, just look at what’s going on in France- anarchists and muslims are out of control and european birth rates are crashing. We are following them down the same socialist toilet by letting our country basically have open borders. I live in sonoma county and there are so many people who believe that socialism will be the right direction for this country. They are all traitors and commies alike. They only want you to think like they do and they believe that B.O. is gonna do wonders for our economy. News flash: all he wants to do is spend more money in a recession (bad idea) that’s how all the democrats think when you are broke-SPEND with tax dollars of the wealthy. Well you know who really gets hurt when you tax the corporations? the small buisnesses. And the reason is because the big guy gets bledded, he tightens the pay roll and starts laying off people so he doesn’t lose his million dollar salary.
October 23, 2008 at 1:52 am |
All the above (communist, muslim, terrorist, foreigner) I suspect and fear “You People are Acting Idiodically Says”. The man is unexperienced, has and continues to deceive Americans with lies and multiple views depending on you is trying to woe. He states he would support muslims (the same people who would like to brutally wip-out Americans) has a reckless foreign pollicy. His socialistic beliefs and plans would further damage our economy, just ask economist such as Pres Bill Clinton. What little experience he has had history tells us most of his decisions have been wrong (lets only assume its just inexperience. This is only the tip of the ice burg. What is really troubling to me is over 50% of Americans are to lazy or perhaps to influencable to seek facts and the truth. At first I did not like McCain (and would still would not be my first choice) but after seeking the truth and facts I believe the man could successfully lead and produce more good than bad and certainly a better man and leader than Barack Hussein Obama. Pray for the best god fearing leader to win, please!
October 23, 2008 at 1:56 am |
he is a fake lying muslim sleeper that probably an illegal alien himself that wouldn’t amount to sheeot but to take from those who have and give to those who don’t which I’m not against “because I myself is broke as hell” , but those who have much should help without law forcing them to. Also don’t think because you are black he cares any more for you than other ethnicties because other than church that is racist as crap he doesn’t even have any black associates on his senatorial board for the state of illinois. He is a selfish person the could care less about those without unless there is something in it for him. God bless America and the rest of the world too.
October 23, 2008 at 1:57 am |
This country is down to the bare-bottom. Cant sell houses, can’t find good paying jobs, wetbacks -a- plenty here driving around without insurance. Wake up people!! we are down and out, and getting screwed every minute.
October 23, 2008 at 1:58 am |
This is conservatism?-
How bad it could get? Are you serious?
So you do not think that terrorists are a threat to this country?
Well I do actually…and I would not be happy if MY president was associated with a terrorists who BOMBED the capital and KILLED 7 people. He is an anarchist and a terrorist and it just amazes me how everyone makes excuses for him and Obama.
So now I’m asking you…how do you feel that Bill Ayers is NOT dangerous? What has he done to prove to this country that he is not a terrorist and what has Obama done to prove that he is not friends with him?
October 23, 2008 at 2:02 am |
If at all in doubt, just give someone a few sentences. If they curse or name-call, they are LIBERAL. They suffer from the disease of liberalism, for which there is seldom a cure. Conservatives love this country and have integrity and are willing to do what ever it takes to keep freedom and capitalism alive for generations to come.
October 23, 2008 at 2:07 am |
No BO in the white house. This all started in the 60’s when education started to tank. Now all the sheeple lemming kool-aid drinkers think they got their man. It will ultimately be the stupid people who put the marxist in office. Find and listen to the Howard Stern’s audio bit while canvassing individuals on the streets of Harlem. Each interviewee was drooling kool-aid as they agreed that Palin was a good pick for Obama’s VP or that Obama’s his pro-life policies were fine. These morons were stupid racists only interested in skin color.
Please teach your children civility, morality and love of country. Otherwise we’re toast…
October 23, 2008 at 2:10 am |
I got that. But what does the association MEAN.
First of terrorism is a tactic, not an allegiance. McVeigh was a terrorist, etc.
Rumsfeld shook hands with Hussein, Reagan funded the proto-Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, several administrations have funded terrorist dictators on every continent. I’m sure you know all that.
Lots of republicans were and are associates of Ayers too, but those “associations” are less important to the story, aren’t they?
Given all that, what I’m asking is..is what worries you that Ayers would influence an Obama administration? Or more to the point, do you believe that Obama is a terrorist or that he believes what the Weather Underground believed? Do you believe that he is a “sleeper” who will unleash anti-American terror if he is elected?
Just wondering.
October 23, 2008 at 2:10 am |
Katy,
You’re welcome. These libs including your deviant teacher are not tolerant of anyone who disagrees with them. They don’t want to be judged or held to any moral standards. Did you know that the gays refer to normal heterosexual people as breeders? They try to make normal people like you feel like the weirdo.
I feel a little sorry for you; I wish you could be in a school with some like minded people. However, you are unusually strong and articulate for a young lady. I think you’re going to have a great future! I’ve been to So Cal a few times on business and vacation. It’s a beautiful place but I’d hate to put up with all the libs and phonies.
October 23, 2008 at 2:12 am |
Ralph…
Unless of couse the namecalling includes any from the list:
terrorist, “moslem,” communist, socialist, foreigner, lib, faggot, commie, Leftie,, oreo, leftie, “sleeper,” liar, illegal alien, martian, gray, etc.
October 23, 2008 at 2:13 am |
If Barry, vis a vis–barack hussein obama—Hussein is a middle name given to Islamic boy children. Has anyone wondered how, as a college student he could travel to Africa and other place to see his friends. Has anyone ever thought of how the six figure money tree fell into O’s lap?
The constitution does say natural born, not someone who may have been in Africa or other places, and then had someone give him a birth certificate from Hawaii. Obama is a Socialist/Marxist, and everyone should be concerned that the public can’t ask quesions for fear they will be called racist. Look at what happened to Joe the Plumber–investigated, and the not so elite media, doing O’s job–attacking,..If that could happen to someone who has the right to ask the question, what do you think will happen to you if you say anything–you bet, you will have no freedom of speech. My family has served this country in peace and war, our family came legally. I have been in the military, the first ladyfrom our family, and try looking at our flag and remember, the many sons and daughters in the past died to keep our freedom. I always have a great feeling when I salute the flag. Further, FBI, CIA, etc, could not give O a clearance until he could prove he is a bonafide citizen. have had top secret clearance with the FBI, and CIA, and it takes a long time to get these clearances, and every little facet of live is under the microscope. Also, name calling does not fix anythingm, and I might add, doesn’t add to political scene.
October 23, 2008 at 2:13 am |
Folks, we need to demand that journalists actually be journalists and stop allowing them to fail to report issues and at the same time jumping all over conservatives and making up lies and leading the stupid sheep of this country to slaughter because they actually believe what the press tells them. They have done such a good jon that repubs are now automatically associated with everything from the global warming fairytale to conservatives being stupid right-wing nut jobs. It makes me sick that in this computer age, when accurate information can be obtained and “re-checked and verified” that so many people not only fail to learn the truth, but blindly follow and believe the liberal endices. People, lets make things change in this country. The racism is mostly on part of liberals, not conservatives, lest they continue to interject the race card at every turn.
October 23, 2008 at 2:19 am |
Regardless of this election’s outcome, the comments here miss one important historical point. Every great civilization since the beginning of human history has come to an end. We are fortunate for having had the opportunity to enjoy this one. Be that as it may, the vote you cast will affect your grandchildren, one way or another, pro or con depending on your view. Be prepared to teach them how to adapt. Good luck.
October 23, 2008 at 2:20 am |
This is conservatism?
Ok so what you said about the Republicans being assiciated with Ayers…that’s funny. I don’t see them running for PRESIDENT. Do you honestly want our next president to be a man who has ties with an insane terrorist?
Also, terrorism IS an allegiance. Are terrorists not allied? I’m poretty sure they work in groups which makes them an allegiance…they all have one common goal- to destory the US. How on earth could you ignore that? I know you’ll probably just come back with something like “Obama isn’t associated with him”, but he is. Even liberal news stations say so. I don’t really care what he is exactly doing with Ayers…I just don’t think is is very appropriate for the potential president to be associated with him at all.
Also, he attends a racist church. What white person would want a half-black president who attends a church with an anti-white pastor? And don’t try to tell me he “didn’t know he was like that”, like Obama himself said…We all saw the speeches and read the quotes. I do not believe in having a racist president and the only reason why people are shrugging their shoulders at this is because it is anti-white, not anti-black. We live in a society where everyone tries to be so equal that they end up being racist towards the other side.
As far as the terrorism goes…that should speak for itself.
October 23, 2008 at 2:22 am |
Blind faith, blind liberalism.
Islamic Law, will be law of the land in Islamic populated parts of Michigan within ten years if Obama is elected. Our American daughters will be forced to wear Burkas at American public schools.
It is already happening in England.
I felt much better in the old America.
October 23, 2008 at 2:25 am |
There should be a strong investigation and research on obtaining an authentic birth certificate of Barack Hussein Obama but the media won’t go there, as I still question to this day “Who is Barack Obama?” His resume is paper thin, he opens his mouth and lies profusely. One, He is dangerous as his socialist plans will destoy the American economy and jobs and two Obama is a Muslim, I do not care if he claims he is a Christian, if his father was a Muslim, no matter if he was secular and fanatical, Barack Obama will always be a Muslim. And what should disqualify him as well is his associations: Like Ayers, Rezko, Wright, and his two economical guys on his campaign that literally destroyed Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac.
That should automatically along with Barack Obama’s questionable place of birth disqualify him for the most important job in this country.
It would be nice to put Obama, Biden, Pelosi, Reid, the media, the celebutards in Hollyweird on a one way passage to either Cuba, Vietnam, North Korea or Venezuela.
October 23, 2008 at 2:27 am |
Can anyone help me do the same thing in Maryland? I need a little guidance.
October 23, 2008 at 2:28 am |
Lets get this straight, the economy is bad, we are in an open ended war. Let’s blame the current presidential administration and elect anyone.
Last time this happened we got Jimmy Carter. How’s that working out for you?
At least Jimmy Carter was a good Christian man and former serviceman who was an idiot.
Obama hates this country, is embarrassed of the flag, probably not even a Christian( Don’t know what Rev. Wright is peddling, but it ain’t Christianity).
What he won’t ruin in this country out of stupidity, he will ruin out of hate.
October 23, 2008 at 2:29 am |
Hey, This is conservatism….I refer to the names, lables, and pent-up anger that liberals tend to use when going after conservatives many times from the very start. If you are open-minded and pay attention, you can not help but see that the so-called main stream media has gone overboard trying to uncover anything harmful to the Palen-McCain ticket, but do not even follow up on anything regarding Obama. He has truly gotten a free ride and will continue to do so. How can this not bother you?
October 23, 2008 at 2:31 am |
El Gato,
Obama’s birth certificate has been altered and that will be included in the lawsuit against Obama as well.
How come Obama doesn’t answer to lawsuit? Why does he not come out in the open and make a point to prove his citizenship?
The birth certificate issue is one thing, how about his ties to Bill Ayers and Obama’s open statements about using cocain? How about his experience?
Obama regardless of his citizenship status or not, has no business running the greatest nation in the world!
October 23, 2008 at 2:31 am |
Publius
Yes! I don’t understand why gay people refer to heterosexuals as “breeders”. Maybe they are just jealous that they can’t themselves. I know a few kids who have gay parents and they all ended up doing bad in school and being incredibly embarrassed by their parents. One in particular was one of my best friends. His mom left his dad for a woman and my friend is now a druggie who is doing badly in school. I know this isn’t the case for everyone and I also know people who have gay parents or friends and are great people, but when you have a child and you just decide that you like women (or men) and you get up and leave your family…that is just so selfish. I know many gay people (california) and some of them are really nice people. But if you even go so far as to agreeing with Prop 8 they will jump down your throat. My other friend started yelling at me because I said (if i could) I would vote yes on Prop 8. A funny thing is that he isn’t even gay. Gays are so ignorant and so baised it’s sickening. I give up my time and LISTEN to other people’s opinions, no matter what they think. Just because I don’t agree with them, and I tell them this, doesn’t mean that I am ignorant for not agreeing. I’m tired of it…
Also, living very close to San Francisco is not very fun…
Sorry, that was sort of a rant..
October 23, 2008 at 2:32 am |
obama’s new campaign slogan till november. VOTE EARLY AND VOTE OFTEN
October 23, 2008 at 2:32 am |
John Wayne,
Amen to that brother!
October 23, 2008 at 2:34 am |
thank you for making me feel I am not the only person out here who KNOWS Obama is a Marxist and this country will never be the same if elected
McCain is not my favorite but I Know he loves this country
thanks for keeping me sane
is there anywhere on the net any certificate of Obama’s?
October 23, 2008 at 2:34 am |
Katy,
Homosexuality is a mental disorder as well.
People are not born that way there’s no scientific evidence to support that.
But lets not talk about the gay mafia agenda or we’ll open up a whole new can of worms if you know what I mean
October 23, 2008 at 2:36 am |
Katy,
San Fran, no wonder. So. Cal is like a puritan community in comparison. If you don’t already you should listen to Mike Savage and Laura Ingraham on the radio. You can get them streaming on the net as you read and post away. You’ll see that there’s a lot more conservatives than you think.
October 23, 2008 at 2:37 am |
Johnny,
Yes that is true…but i like being entitled to free speech, and I would like to use it up since it will be gone if Obama gets elected.
October 23, 2008 at 2:38 am |
Publius,
Yes I do listen to Michael Savage and I am currently reading Liberalism is a Mental Disorder. It’s nice to listen to someone who actually has something intelligent to say.
October 23, 2008 at 2:39 am |
I don’t think he is a non-natural citizen, but we will see how this pans out.
October 23, 2008 at 2:39 am |
Hi Katy
thanks for your reply, I think you answered my question by not answering my question.
a couple quick points…
what I mean by “terrorism is a tactic” is just that, it is a political tactic used since forever, but its Modern usage comes from the French Revolution when the Republicans (who were fighting for democracy) used terror against the Royalists who wanted a king.
The ancient Hebrews used terror against the Romans, the Colonists against the British, the Bolsheviks against the Tsar, the Israelis against the British, etc. etc.
take a look at the wikipedia entry if you like. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism
So, to say someone is a terrorist is that they use terrorism. “The Terrorists” is not a group of people “out there” like “the Belgians,” but a name for those who have used that method of political violence.
You should care what his connection with Ayers is. It may be very important. It may be simply that they were on some committees together.
Also Wright’s church is not racist. He may be a bit unhinged and scary, but a guy who scares white people is not racist or even against white people. When he said God Damn America, he was talking about slavery. When it comes to slavery I think God would agree with him.
Why does it matter then to you that’s he’s half-black? What’s the point? Does that make him a little bit more scary?
October 23, 2008 at 2:41 am |
The vast majority of American Voters are caught up with this staged bickering election. The news media has predictably whipped up a whole bunch of controversies and diversions. All this to distarct us from the real scary stuff. Forget the government and the presidential candidates and any policy differences we are made to perceive. Nobody is paying any attention to the Elephant in the room. I am referring to the CFR, the Trilateral Commission, The Bilderberg Group, NWO, NAU, The World Bank, The International Monetary Fund. Does anybody pay any attention or care about how these groups have controlled the government, the media, the education system, the CIA, FBI, FDA, FCC, News Media etc etc. Yes it is a conspiracy, so huge nobody wants to comprehend it. You are all right where they want you to be, dumbed down, drugged up, bickering with each other, fearful, intimidated, controlled and worst of all enslaved. Wake up we do not have much time to preserve our freedom and that of our children. Do me a favor please research any of the organizations I refer to and think critically. Question every action of authority. Switch off the TV News. The illuminati runs it all. Research the story of the Federal reserve Bank. Unless we look at and question the big picture we will lose everything. Everything about this election is an illusion and a distraction, think, think, think until it hurts because they are going to hurt you unless we stop them now. Wake up. See David Icke
October 23, 2008 at 2:44 am |
in case you care….
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
if you insist that he is in Hawaii to kill his grandmother like he did his father, because they were about to blow the whistle on the plot, then fine, whatever, we Republicans don’t need you.
October 23, 2008 at 2:45 am |
Everyone should see the newly released POW Video of McCain by SkyNews. Let me preface by saying I’m more anti-Obama than pro-McCain as he is way to liberal for me on immigration, walking across the aisle and all his other shtick. Nonetheless, this video is the most emotional and compelling thing I’ve seen in a long time. As I watched it, all I could think of was the contrast between this brave man and that Racist, Marxist squirt Obama. If they RNC would simply play this video in swing states, I think’d be enough to push McCain ahead.
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/US-Elections-2008/John-McCain-Footage-Of-Presidential-Candidate-As-Prisoner-Of-War-In-Vietnam-Released/Article/200810415126616
October 23, 2008 at 2:45 am |
Anyone with Hussein as a middle name is a Muslim. If he would have converted to Christianity in Iran, instead of the US, which he did in his twenties, he would have been hung.
October 23, 2008 at 2:48 am |
Katy-
All I can say is that I’m sorry you don’t have a better outlet for your healthy skepticism and curiosity about the powers that be.
Michael Savage is an act. He plays a character called Michael Savage who rails against all the things that certain frightened people have learned to hate.
I predict that when you do get access to a good library and some good professors your experience trolling around with these crap artists will only make you that much more mad.
Best wishes.
October 23, 2008 at 2:52 am |
Hey “This is conservatism” who in the hell do you think you are fooling? these obviously are not the liberal medias sheep you are speaking too. Wright is not a racist? You are typical of this society and its decaying morals and values. Why don’t you and BO go live in a dictatorship society and let the rest of us who believe in what our forefathers fled from and died for.
October 23, 2008 at 2:52 am |
William,
There is no doubt we are being ruled by an oligarchy and it’s certainly not a benevolent one. You are very pessimistic as am I, as PJB said they are two arms of the same bird of prey. We’ve been given no real choice in this election. We can only hope McCain is the lesser of the two evils. As Thomas Jefferson said the tree of liberty needs to be shed with the blood of tyrants and patriots. We are quickly getting to that point. That’s why they want control of the guns and especially powerful guns. The second amendment was meant to protect citizens from a tyrannical government, not for hunting!!! Wake up people before it’s over.
October 23, 2008 at 2:54 am |
We should all be careful, We have no way of knowing the truth except for our senses. If its a spade we should call it such. Our Government has been giving us the business for far to long and It can get worse in a hurry. Forget Rep and Dems Lets get behind a better alternative. Just Maybe Michael Savage. I for one like America, I for one Am an American.
October 23, 2008 at 2:56 am |
This is conservatism?
I am familiar with what terrorism means. You are right in that it is a TACTIC…for scaring people into believing what you believe in. I never called Obama a terrorist directly, I only said he is associated with one. And yes, Ayers is a terrorist. Which, in my opinion, doesn’t make him any better.
Obama being associated with a terrorist is not the only reason why I strongly despise him. He is also affiliated with ACORN. Acorn is an organization that threatens banks to give bad loans to people who will not and are not going to pay them back. (which you should already know) This is what is making our economy fail.
Wright’s church IS racist. How is reffering to white people as “the white devil” not racist? And talking about slavery in this day and age is absolutley ridiculous. That was SO long ago and it really has not relavence to this election or to any current topic. I don’t understand why black people use that as some sort of “blame” or to try to make white people guilty. This is the definition of “pulling the race card”. They weren’t even involved with anything that went on during those times, nor were any of the white people.
It does not matter to me that Obama is half black. This is exactly what I’m talking about. If I say I don’t like Obama…I am racist. I am not racist, but I do believe that many people are racist…towards white people. Because in today’s world, being racist towards black people is THE worst crime a person can commit. But if a black person says “cracker” or “honkey” it’s fine. This society is crumbling and it’s not just because of the economy. The morality and justice of this country is truly non-existent.
October 23, 2008 at 2:59 am |
This is conservatism?
If Michael Savage is an act, then every other news anchor on CNN is also an act. YOU need to listen to things BESIDES the liberal media. I do watch CNN and other channels and I listen to democrats and liberals. I do not agree with them, but I listen to their point of view and I give them a chance. YOU however, have not shown me anything that would say you are not baised.
October 23, 2008 at 3:02 am |
Hi;
Just want you to know that I am from a socialist/communist country. It is frightning that so many Americans are so willing to give up their rights. I ran from my country of Hungary back during the 1956 Hungarian revolution. Came to the United States because of human rights, and freedoms that the U.S. had. If Obama gets elected I wonder where we’re going to run? I’ve lived it before, and I see it coming like a tital wave to this great country. What a shame.
Thank God for Michael Savage. He is right on. One of the only truth speaking people in the media/air ways. God bless Michael Savage.
October 23, 2008 at 3:05 am |
Lisa,
THERE”S NOWHERE LEFT TO RUN! That’s why Obama must be defeated.
P.S.
I think Lou Dobbs would be a great Independent candidate. The only problem is that he’ll split the Republican voters. All the “country clubber”, moderate, “I’m a fiscal conservative socially liberal” morons that give us the establishment candidates like McCain, will stay with the establishment candidate. The entitlement party (Dem’s) are comprised of the 40% non taxpayers, selfish union workers, angry minorities, gays, liberal Jews and college professors (a little bit of levity) will still vote Democrat.
October 23, 2008 at 3:07 am |
Aloha, “You People Are Idiots” ~
You might want to read up on basic U.S. Law, which states that the SOLE exception of rights to those naturally born in the United States vs. U.S. citizens who are born outside the U.S. is that ONLY NATURAL BORN CITIZENS CAN HOLD THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENCY.
Whether or not you agree that this should be the law, quite frankly it IS the current law.
Insofar as qualifications go, “You People Are Idiots” ~ I, too, have found myself awed to silence by listening to Barack speak. It happened this Spring, toward the end of his primary campaing. When asked how many states they had left to go (ie. campaign travelling), Barack stammered, jumbling, as he suddenly slowed… as if trying to get something straight in his mind: “We’ve already been to … no wait… is it… [tentatively] fifty… six? … fifty-seven… states? So… we only have one or two left to go….”
The only thing “57″ I know of is: 1. Heinz Ketchup ingredients; 2. the number of states of Islam (I used to be a missionary and studied Islam and Islamic countries in detail).
The only other time I’ve ever heard of ANYONE confusing the number of states like that is in Ocean’s Thirteen last year: One of the Malone Brothers fuddles around trying to remember the number of states, similarly. The audience roared. It was hilarious. The other Malone brother, of course, gave him an extreme look of disgust and dismissal. For such profound ignorance.
Bottom line? What are other countries going to think of us voting in someone who EVER mistakenly thought we have 57 or 58 states? None of my many, many foreign friends … or grade school kids I know… have ever made that mistake.
It’s embarrassing.
October 23, 2008 at 3:10 am |
I beleive our news commenters our owened buy Saudi-Aurabia, and all our news is duiluted to keep everyone feeling o.k. Thats why they dont check any of this stuff out. Its all to there best interest, listen to the news, there are Doctors tellings us drugs we need to take, crap we dont even care about, they never even touch on the things we want to here, there all bought and paid for, they all have an agenda, they have no morals, only a fat paycheck, but you cant take it with you. I hope one day one of them cave and tell the truth.the sooner the better.
October 23, 2008 at 3:12 am |
Looks like the glass ceiling prevented a woman from becoming governor and another from becoming Director of public health. I am voting for Obama, as it will be the final nail in the coffin of what was the greatest country on earth (back in the day). And I want to see all the Progressives I know pay out of their a** in taxes. Should be fun to watch. See, I own my car and rent mostly everything else, so I don’t really care. Morons do not deserve a free country!
October 23, 2008 at 3:19 am |
katy,
hey I hear that! Trust me I know how you feel. I got kicked off of newsvine because my user name was tattered rectum. I know that sounds kind of offensive, but it’s not a racial slur and it can mean all kinds of different things. Newsvine even deleted some of my comments as being offensive even though I wasn’t saying anything offensive. They would delete my comments when the libs couldn’t handle the truth. Newsvine is infested with liberals, so if you ever go to comment on a story that is controlled by Newsvine be ware.
October 23, 2008 at 3:22 am |
Obama will win, and you crybaby Republican’ts will be wiping your tears away very shortly when he implements his plans to recover this country out of the hole that Bushhole has dug us into. Good thing McCainhole isn’t gonna get elected or he would finish digging the hole, and we can’t have that. Obama is the saving grace for this country, and if you would actually read something mainstream for once (not necessarily Liberal, but that would be best) and quit listening to Rush, Sean Hannity, and the like, you would realize that you will be better in a couple years than you are now. WAKE UP AMERICA!!! The only sad thing is, when Bush ruined this country, he ruined it for all of us. Even those of us who did not vote for him suffered during his woeful administration (which will go down as the worst in history, no doubt about that…), those of you who are to blinded to vote for Obama will still benefit from his recovery plan. I say if you don’t vote for him, you should have to stay where you are, and those of us who are smart enough to see what he will do should be the only ones to benefit. Heck, if everyone benefits from the act of one person, isn’t that socialism? The very idea you cry about and say that Obama is a Socialist. Of course he is not, but Rush, Sean and others have you so brainwashed (not to mention the idiot Sarah Palin, come on, that is the best your party could offer up?) that you now think he is a Muslim, a Socialist, a Marxist, or whatever your term of the day is. You tried everything else you could think of to bring this man down, and none of it has worked. Way to stick to your third grade mentalities, use some good old name calling. What a joke. GO OBAMA, GO AWAY MCCAINHOLE!!!
October 23, 2008 at 3:27 am |
The fellow (near the top of the thread) that mentioned about letting Obama have access to our nuclear codes makes a powerful point. It would be INSANE for us Americans to let this Trojan Horse called Obama have access to such info!
October 23, 2008 at 3:28 am |
Bev,
I wonder how true the poll numbers really are in the first place. All you hear on the news is how Obama is in the lead and Obama this and Obama that.
Out amongst the public I don’t see too many Obama fans, in fact most of them hate Obama. I have met only one or two people that support Obama and you can spot them from a mile a way because most of them look like they haven’t showered for days.
I don’t run into too many people that like Obama.
I think the news over inflates B.O. campaign and his person.
I would certainly hope that Americans are a lot smarter then what the polls are showing. I just don’t believe that most Americans are that stupid to vote for an inexperienced candidate who openly abuses cocain and is best friends with Bill Ayers.
October 23, 2008 at 3:30 am |
1) Obama Bin Ladin is a Muslim! If you are born a Muslim and you convert to Christianity the Koran says: You shall be put to death. Your family shall be put to death!
2) He is a Marxist and will lead all you numb-nut liberals right into socialism.
3) He is Not!, I repeat, NOT! a U.S. Citizen as he was not born in Hawaii but in Kenya Africa. Last I knew that is not U.S. soil.
4) You all need to Grow a pair and help the rest of us dig this Great Country of ours out of the hole you find ourselves in.
Thank You and Good Night!
October 23, 2008 at 3:32 am |
Steve,
your democratic congress has a lower approval rating then Bush!
Yes Bush is to blame for a lot of this mess but so is your democratic congress and even Obama!
Obama was a major player in the deregulation of the sub prime mortgage melt down.
October 23, 2008 at 3:34 am |
Hey Steve,
Your post reveals your immaturity and fanaticism for Obama. Put down the bong and the XBOX controller, turn of the indoctrination of ABC/CBS/CNN, et al and get out of your parent’s basement. You libs including Obama can’t stand ANY dissenting opinion, not to mention the TRUTH. I can see why you’re voting for Obama. You sound like a real loser so you’ll probably do fine with the whole redistribution of wealth plan.
October 23, 2008 at 3:36 am |
Publius,
Steve is the reason why the U.S. should make people take an IQ test before they vote.
October 23, 2008 at 3:37 am |
Krista,
let me know where you get the T-shirt! I would wear one
October 23, 2008 at 3:38 am |
All of the above mentioned may or may not be true. For the larger part The underlying facts give rise to questions which honest journalists would pursue. (Which shows the so called “mainstream media” doesn’t have many if any honest journalists)
What concerns me more are the associations of Obama, that he makes reference to himself that are passed over.
1. Obama makes reference in his book to Frank Marshall Davis, a noted early leader of the liberation theology and “Black Power”.
2. Davis was a known pedophile and Obama says he felt strange being taken there by his grandfather to “see Frank”. Obama visited Davis many times over the formative years from the time he returned from Indonesia till he left the state.
In Obama’s book, Dreams from My Father, there is an odd note, perhaps intended as a signal of Davis’ stamp on Obama’s socialist creds. Obama makes this strange observation:
“The visits to his (Davis’) house always left me feeling vaguely uncomfortable, though, as if I were witnessing some complicated, unspoken transaction between the two men, a transaction I couldn’t fully understand.”
3. Davis was put in a postion not only to “gray” Obama which appears that he did, but he also furthered Obama’s path by making connections for Obama in Chicago, which was Davis’ stomping ground until post WWII when he fled to go to Hawaii. Obama notes going to some of Frank’s old haunts when he arrived in Chicago.
4. Davis was a friend and mentor to fellow CWP USA member Saul Alinsky. Alinsky is well known for sireing Community Activisim of which Obama is evidently the heir to that throne now.
Both Alinsky and Davis were well known in the upper communist heirarchy.
(strange how they abhor classism while making their own virulent form of it.) There is little doubt now that Alinsky was funneling funds from Moscow through Communist Workers Party USA for at least 40 years. Yeah “Community Organizing is expensive. (I guess a community organizer isn’t like a mayor after all.)
NOW enter Bill Ayers. Alinsky had been dead for 10 years when Ayers became available to move up into the ranks of the party. Weather Underground leader now settled down felon with no channel for his talents.
It is without question that Ayers became mantle weaer of Alinsky.
He is a voice recognizeable to many looking for radicalism.
I find it odd Obama didn’t know who Ayers was. I live nowhere near Chicago and I’m the same age as Obama and I knew who he was in the 70’s. I guess Obama’s grandparents shielded him from such goings on, huh? Maybe no TV at Franks bungalow.
So here I am looking at the guy I think wants to embody the next revolution.
Marx and Engels started international socialism in the 19th Century.
Lenin took it and made it the Communism so many loved and died under.
Mussolini forged national socialism or facism in the 20th century.
Hitler took it to heights under Nazism.
It seems to me Obama looks to blend the worst of all this into Global Socialism for the 21st Century.
What will we call it?
Mussolini and Hitler killed their millions.
Lenin and Stalin bathed in the blood of tens of millions they slaughtered.
How many will Obama’s Global Socialism put in the ground? A billion?
There are a lot of things on the web against Obama. almost none of them concern me more than the things I have seen of those who worship this man. It makes me think of what was recently said by a NYC talkshow host. Obama has the making of a megalomaniac.
It also makes me think of conversations with a man who was in the Hitler Youth in the 30’s and combat Waffen SS in the 40’s. It would make him blush to see some of things on youtube by comparison for Obama.
What the Obama symbols mean to me.
I find Obama’s head rendered in red white and blue to be much like Che’s head in Black and Red.
The Obama seal makes me think of this.
The red and white stripes at the bottom represent America.
The white stripes are areas which people are driven out of to turn the earth back to it’s pure state without human encroachment.
The red stripes represents the bloodshed of those who stand in his way, made as a sacrifice to Mother Earth or Gaia for “our sins”
The white half moon represents 2 things;
The first it is the Crescent moon of Islam coming to full unleashed on America. It is now coming to full and coming down on America, either with Obama’s complicity or more likely by his capitulation to Islam.
And thus it also represents a headstone for America which Obama has yet to chisel the inscription upon.
I believe he has a largely hidden agenda in mind that few of even his closest supporters know.
With the backing of billions of dollars funneled in 200$ at a time by enemy agent George Soros, and fellow globalists like Maurice Strong and
All-gore, how can Obama help but be “too awesome”.
October 23, 2008 at 3:43 am |
Well, Obama is a marxist, a liar, a deceiver, and more delightful things, I am sure. Certainly, he’s unfit to lead anybody anywhere. Let’s beat the hell out of him at the polls and send him back to Chicago.
October 23, 2008 at 3:43 am |
Johnny,
Yes, if voting were limited to taxpayers we wouldn’t end up with the scum that we get, especially the Finks like Frank, Dodd, Maxine Waters, etc. who gave us the Fannie/Freddie mess that will cost us trillions of tax money on top of trillions in lost savings and retirements. Steve doesn’t have to worry though because his only assets are the weed on hand and the used XBOX he bought at Game
October 23, 2008 at 3:43 am |
Steve,
Your little nicknames for our precious candidates are very “creative”.
Maybe Democraps should get a clue?
October 23, 2008 at 3:44 am |
Continued: GameStop
October 23, 2008 at 3:44 am |
I feel you all need to quit your conservative crying and get use to the new face of THE NEW U. S. A.
October 23, 2008 at 3:44 am |
Media programmed American’s have been duped by a non-citizen. The Dems have already asked for a new candidate! Will they get one? ’ll have to soon buy my “Don’t Blame Me, I Didn’t Vote For Him” t-shirt. – Better yet – Move to New Zealand
October 23, 2008 at 3:48 am |
country first
October 23, 2008 at 3:50 am |
First of all, as a member of the Senate, Obama voted YES on the war in Iraq. McCain also did, but you can’t ignore that and htink he’s going to make the war end if he gets elected.
Also, what has he done to rpove to the people of this country that he is a leader? In the short amount of time he has been on the senate, he has done NOTHING. McCain has done MUCH more for this country and has EXPERIENCE. Obama has already asked for 100 earmarks! McCain has asked for NONE.
So…for all the people who are able to vote, please be educated about the candidates and do not just vote for Obama because he’s ademocrat, black, young, etc. And do not just vote for McCain because he is white, republican, etc.
October 23, 2008 at 3:50 am |
black says-
The new face being Communism? No thank you.
October 23, 2008 at 3:51 am |
The last thing USA needs: VOTER FRAUD. I’m praying for this 1 thing: state-funded voter fraud WILL BE DISCOVERED before Nov. 4th. Mr. O is from Chicago (Daly Machine). You can take the guy out of Crook County, but you can’t take Crook County out of the guy. I am 100% convinced there are records currently available that will PROVE Mr. O is registering voters to be counted 10, 20 even 73 times! through Acorn. Whether he was born here or not VOTER FRAUD will define this historic election.
BTW: Both these candidates FAILED US when they voted “yes” to giving away our $700 Billion to Porky-knows-who 2 weeks ago. If McCain had the nuts to say “no” he’d be running away on our shoulders. 1 Billion seconds is 32 years.
October 23, 2008 at 3:55 am |
OBAMA….IS SO FAR TURNING OUT TO BE AN OBUMMER FOR AMERICA!!!
October 23, 2008 at 4:00 am |
Katy and the rest of the republic
wake up we are already, and have been headed towards communism way before any one heard of Obama.
October 23, 2008 at 4:02 am |
black says-
Give me an example please?
October 23, 2008 at 4:06 am |
Bush wrote the book on how to steal an election, the Dems just read it and used what they learned so that it would never happen again!!!!!!!!!
October 23, 2008 at 4:07 am |
I’m not a Republican, Steve, and neither is Michael Savage.
If you think that our current economic crisis is the result of Bush (why is it that I have yet to meet a liberal who can express him or herself without resorting to PottyMouthism), you are extremely naive or short-sighted.
I’m not the one whining and crying, though every liberal (including the idiot on the bus that made the overture of “we can all be friends” BEFORE finally figuring out that I’m not pro-Obama despite sharing his alma mater… decided to go psycho then cold-shoulder. (Note: I maintained a respectable, calm reserve throughout, as he first invaded my space, hoisted his pottymouthed criticisms toward President and Military. He assumed that because I responded decently to his barrage of conversation that I must share his beliefs. Once he realized I am not voting for Barack (how pathetic as he appealed to the fact that we attended the same school), he recoiled as if I had the plague and stormed off the bus. I guess we CAN’T all just be friends… but for the record, that isn’t my fault. This is the comprehensive experience I have had from Liberals. I have always believed in being a hard seeker of Truth and Fact and do a great deal of independent research, exposing myself to the whole spectrum of beliefs on a matter. If something really is true, then the more you delve, the more it will be clarified. If, however, you are simply believing something is true because you want it to be true, then it becomes a desperate situation when facts begin to not entirely add up. Oppositional thinking becomes threatening; and it is no wonder why the angry reaction. You guys have got to get your cranial act together and be able to read research that opposes your thinking without getting your political panties in a bunch.
Now, insofar as policy and seeing B. Obama as a savior to our country’s problems, I’ll address firsthand one matter: Health Care.
Although I am educated (Bachelors and Masters), I elected to spend most of my adult life doing humanitarian international volunteer work, and as a result, I did not have health insurance when my health suddenly took a dive in my early 30’s. As a result, I have not been physically well enough to hold a typical 8am-5pm fulltime job; and I have spent all the years since paying off incurred hospital bills and medical debt.
Am I a proponent for Obama’s nationalized health care?
HELL NO.
I have LIVED. In socialist countries with socialized health care. I have also been an American taxpayer that was poor enough to spend a good 7 years resorting to the cheapo health care clinics that typically see illegal alien farm workers in South Central California. Let me tell you my experience of about 30 visits to 3 different clinics in Ventura County:
1. Average number of people in waiting room: 35-40. If you aren’t sick on arrival, you will be by the time you leave. So if you’re bringing a child, good luck with work next week.
2. Average wait time before being seen: THREE HOURS. First come, first served, beggars can’t be choosers.
3. Price: This is the sort of good part: Sliding scale according to income. The down side? (Yes. There is one.) The majority of the time, they were not able to prescribe what I needed. There is more below, but the bottom line was the need for return visits, typically 2-4 visits in order to really get what I needed to recover adequately. Which calclulates back up to the price of a standard visit to begin with. Only. You spend 6-12 hours in the waiting room.
4. They were only allowed by the limitation statutes of their nonprofit status to treat ONE issue at a time. Unfortunately, my health issue which took 5 years to uncover, presents itself with more than one serious symptom at once, in more than one system in my body. As it had not yet been established what I had, they separated the two symptoms as two independent treatment issues and I was forced to return on a different day, wait another 3 hours for a different appointment.
5. In the end, I did some curious math calculations for one of the clinics. # of visitors per hour x # hours open per month x 12 for a 1 year total of clients seen/treated. When I thought of the average cost per visit… and how much is supplemented, as ineffectual as the treatments can be… I realized that this clinic is funded by a few million dollars of taxpayer money per year. And there are at least 5 clinics I know of in that one county in California. Divide those few million by number of taxpaying residents in Ventura County… and you have to wonder how much of your paycheck is going to help illegal aliens and people like me (shoot, some of my own taxpayer money has gone to this inane health system) get universally prescribed tylenol, ibuprofren, and amoxylcilan (never mind that oftentimes amoxyl does not work, if you’ve had a lot of antibiotics in the past).
Other Example: England. Beyond the commonly known stuff such as maternity wards (you don’t get your own room; it’s a room with cots for everyone in your condition; enjoy.)…
I lived there for half a year. One of my friends there had a bad fall on sleet. He slipped on icy ground and was rather worried about his neck, as the pain was so bad. (He had hit his head at an angle on the pavement.)
He only had a 14 day wait before he could be seen by a doctor. I AM NOT KIDDING. Peter joked that if he were wealthy, he could have slipped the clinic a plush bribe and suddenly found himself bumped up on that waiting list; but he was a starving grad student in Liverpool, not a rich IT nerd or duke.
In conclusion: My experience has thus far been: That anyone thinking nationalized health care for everyone is the best solution … has NOT experienced what that scenario plays out to be like in the long run, actually. I can assure you that it is better to save, scrimp, and choose your physician and be seen in a timely fashion is superior than to pay $10, $20, $30, $40, $50, $60, $70, $80 (yes, that was a winner, being seen 8 times before finally obtaining a prescription for zithromax; I had only lost my job from being too ill for too long. But hey, wiith the zithromax, I was better in 3 days.) to get amoxylcillan and ibuprofren.
If you have not been where I have been, to the clinics I have been to, in the Peoples Republic of California, then you are absolutely ignorant in your opinion that nationalized health care is going to liberate us all.
The only thing worse than lack of hope is false hope. I’d rather be a realist than disillusioned.
October 23, 2008 at 4:09 am |
God save America with his own hands from satanic Obama and his associates.
October 23, 2008 at 4:13 am |
Katy
1. The gun laws, which every state is trying to do away with
2.Freedom of speech, which is already out of hand and a easy way to find your self locked up
3.The right to a fair and speedy trial, with jurors of your peers
October 23, 2008 at 4:13 am |
Hey i hate to break up a good fight but i just copied the following Hawaii supreme court ruling 22 Oct.08 DENING any access to Obama’s ‘vault’ Birth certificate00 is that checkmate for andy??????????? here it is:
http://www.state.hi.us/jud/opinions/sct/2008/29414ord.pdf
October 23, 2008 at 4:14 am |
Obama refuses to release a valid birth certificate, or request an official copy delivered directly from the responsible government office in Hawaii to the media. He is hiding something, and the list of possibilities is so short a pre-schooler could pick the right answer.
This man has zero respect for the country, its people, or the Constitution. What do you think he’ll do to us once he has the unquestioned power of the Executive Order?
Countries get the government they deserve. God help the American people to demand better–and fast!
October 23, 2008 at 4:15 am |
black says: Says:
October 23, 2008 at 3:44 am
I feel you all need to quit your conservative crying and get use to the new face of THE NEW U. S.
OMG, he is right a new U.S. they are warning us, wake up real americans, get out and vote and NOT for Osama, I mean Obama
October 23, 2008 at 4:15 am |
I don’t like Obama but don’t say he voted yes on the war in Iraq when he wasn’t even a Senator when we went to war in Iraq. You make the rest of us look stupid. go hide in your hole and educate yourself a bit. Thanks!
October 23, 2008 at 4:17 am |
After reviewing the Obominations ‘birth certificate’, i have the following problems with it.
-date of birth is 1961, it appears to be typed on the certificate, yet the certificate says on the bottom left corner ‘Rev 11/01 LASER’. i don’t think it means nov. 1901. more like 2001, so it could not have been typed on this paper in 1961.
-Perfect type, like a laser printer, and everything is perfectly aligned, like it was printed. personal computers and Word Perfect were not in existence in 1961. it would have to have been typed with a mechanical typewriter, and the letters would not be perfect and would not be perfectly aligned. my birth certificate is from 1981 and has these imperfections, why should one 20 years older be any better?
-Where is the name and address of the hospital, or location of live birth if midwifed at home? mine has this info, why not this one?
-My birth certificate does not ask for race of parents, but does ask state of birth (to establish nationality of parents). Nationality is necessary to establish citizenship, not race.
-My birth certificate ask if birth was single or multiple, and number in a multiple birth. This is absent on Obamas. This document does not accurately document the birth.
-My Birth Certificate has my mothers signature and date signed next to a statement that the document is true and accurate to the best of the signers knowledge, and a signature and date signed for the attending physician next to a statement that they attended the live birth and the document is true and accurate to the best of the signers knowledge. ALL OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS HAVE TO BE SIGNED, OBAMAS IS NOT!!!
-There is a signature of the county registrar who filed the certificate on mine, where is it on Obamas?
-Mine is an original copy of the original document, which is small and rectangular-meaning it is not typed on the copy paper. it is an actual certificate much like a traffic ticket in size. That is what is filled out and filed with the state office of vital records, and they copy it onto engraved paper and emboss it for you when you need an official copy.
-My birth certificate ask for age of parents on date of birth, this is absent on Obamas.
-there is a blacked out certificate number, but no county registrar number that would be needed for filling purposes. Certificates have a general number, much like a dry cleaning receipt, but the county or state would have a unique number for their records keeping. besides, this is a public record, so why black out the certificate number? If it REALLY exist, anyone could obtain an informational copy, so why blot out the certificate number?
My personal conclusion? THIS IS A FAKE/FORGERY AND WOULD NOT EVEN BE SUITABLE TO GET YOU BACK AND FORTH ACROSS THE CANADIAN BORDER, LET ALONE ESTABLISH U.S. CITIZENSHIP TO THE DEGREE REQUIRED TO HOLD THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENCY.
October 23, 2008 at 4:19 am |
There is certainly enough doubt about Obama that people using logic would exclude his candidacy. Those who support him have chosen to bury their heads in the sand.
Remember the shock of using commercial jets as weapons on 9/11? Who would have guessed that an undefended, steerable platform carrying 50,000+ pounds of explosive fuel capable of travelling at near supersonic speeds could be dangerous?
The shock will be even greater if our country elects a man without a valid birth certificate, with a Muslim name, with a Socialist/Communist agenda, who attended a church that dispenses hate for America, married a woman that is a racist, is supported by Hamas and was introduced to the political arena by a murderous anarchist who happens to be his neighbor and has served on committees with him for years?
So what if Obama’s campaign chaiman (Rezko) got loans (for Obama’s campaign) through Hussein’s (of Iraq) arms dealer to fund Obama’s campaign? So what if Reverend Wright was Obama’s spiritual right-hand man throughout his campaign until the heat got too much…we don’t expect that they actually spoke about politics on the campaign do we?
What a surprize it will be when it turns out that the new president is a Muslim sympathizing racist who hates the USA.
If our nation elects Barack Hussein Muhammad Obama II, we will get our just desserts. It will prove that we, as Americans, do not deserve the liberties that our forefathers entrusted to us.
October 23, 2008 at 4:21 am |
Why is certificate number blackened out on the supposed certificate?
October 23, 2008 at 4:27 am |
oldskool
“wake up real americans” what is a real american
October 23, 2008 at 4:28 am |
I’m shocked (not really), the liberal Hawaii Supremes refused to provide the document. They state the issuance of the documents by the Board of Health is not mandatory but discretionary? Are you kidding? What a cover-up. This should be appealed to the US Supreme Court ASAP before the suspicious one steals the election.
Well time for bed for this East Coaster. Defeat Obama!
October 23, 2008 at 4:31 am |
You guys sure like to argue and you may all be ‘partially right’ but my quesstion is What can Andy do now -who can he appeal to or it’s over and no one can EVER see it. I’m not a lawyer so anyone have an appeal idea. I like you would like to see his ‘original’ !!!
October 23, 2008 at 4:36 am |
Hi Publius,
Obama’s eligibility for the presidency should be deemed as discretionary as well
October 23, 2008 at 4:36 am |
It’s simple, common sense
If Obama had his birth certificate, NOT just the COLB, certificate of live birth that has been proven fraudulent, why on earth wouldn’t he just produce the real deal….
It makes no sense and if something makes np sense, most likely, it’s bullshit.
I will not recognize Barry Soetoro Dunham Obama Davis as my president if he manages to snowjob enough sheep to vote for him,,,,,,a bunch of times.
October 23, 2008 at 4:40 am |
Hi Artist,
I Obama attains the office of president, I believe there will be a plethora of Jeffersonians surrounding him
October 23, 2008 at 4:41 am |
“If” rather than “I” even…sorry for the typo
October 23, 2008 at 4:42 am |
In the past elections, mud slinging has always been prevalent.
In This election, white America have really shown their savageness. A blackman runs legitimately and racists disgrace their holy prophets by attributing the names of holy prophets
to Barack Obama such as ;Moses, the messiah, christ and etc….. Black people dd not ask to come here and give up the rich culture, language, and religion of Africa, we were taken against our will to build this empire called America, yet in no way can we benefit from it. White slave masters raped black females at will as well as killed, hung, and set on fire black males at will. This continued for well over 400 years and yet we are suppose to cry because of the jewish holocaust. What about the black holocaust that was ten times worst and lasted 400 years longer? Do you care, of course not. But God does!
Those who enslave must be enslaved. Is this verse not in the Bible? Dont read the good book? Well Ill end with history and logic. Every empire that has ever been an empire was created from the backs of slaves. This is true. It is also true that every empire created in that manner no longer exists. Guess whos last on the list! Unfortunately when the commandment of God proves true against this mighty empire, the decendants of those who unwillingly and tirelessly labored from cant see in the morning to cant see at night under opression to build this empire will perish alongside those who received trust funds and inheritances and continue to this day to benefit from over 400 years of vicious slavery.
October 23, 2008 at 4:43 am |
Obama MAY not be a Muslim but he definitely IS NOT a Christian as he claims. In FACT he is apostate. The gravest and only UNFORGIVABLE sin. Afro-Marxist so called “Black Liberation Theology” (as do all Marxists) DENIES THE DIVINITY OF CHRIST. Don’t believer me? Google it. Better yet, have the courage to go to http://www.tucc.org/index.php and comb the BRAND NEW WEBSITE. Coincidence that they have put up a false and misleading SANITIZED website now that the cat is out of the bag about Obama’s racist, anti-semitic church, where he was married, and where he sat idly by for 20 years of racist (satanic) ranting of his soul mate
Rev. Wright? Obama may not be THE anti-Christ, but his church and church leaders are absolutely anti-Christs. Think about it, the moment the truth about his racist church came out, Obama leaves the “church” strictly for political gain.
What could be lower or more cowardly? “Obama can leave the church after 20 years of “teaching” but the racist church cannot leave the man.”
October 23, 2008 at 4:44 am |
I don’t see anyone mentioning about the fact that Obama pretty much told Iran that they are a small country, and nothing to worry about, when they are on the verge of having nukes… I’m sure Iran will want to show us just how “small” they are if Obama is so called “elected”.
October 23, 2008 at 4:44 am |
I like the fact that they are waiting until the last minute before breaking
the Obama natural-citizen case. This keeps the main stream media out of it; because by drawing attention to this trial
[http://www.americasright.com] will also draw negative defensive media
attacks from the Left. We all know what happened when media drew
attention to OJ’s case.) Hopefully Surrick wants to take credit for
catching this; but either way the Supreme Court will not let this slide
with just a .jpeg of a cert on the internet…more proof will be
required. I hope this is used as a way to show the world that the
far-Left in this country are Communist/Socialist at best. Knowing our
history; the Nazi was just a political group that slowly grew power in
German government before taking over with ultimate power…we all know
what can happen with Radical views and supreme power.
Scaring the country about what Obama REALLY is all about after he is
eventually disqualified is brilliant. The main stream media was able to
sway views in this country ranging from very slow people to very
intelligent people…all with wrapping a pretty bow on a despicable
person. This HAS to change or we may be saying what Winston did in Ghostbusters: “What he means is Old Testament, Mr.
Mayor, real wrath of God type stuff.”
Manchurian Candidate and reality-TV combined. I love it.
October 23, 2008 at 4:45 am |
This country is based on laws. When you ignore these laws the country collapes. This is the problem. Enforce the laws and lock-up or deport the criminals and this country will be on track again.
October 23, 2008 at 4:45 am |
Let’s just say that his mother probably never married the father and she probably did the coke with her son. Let’s face it they are pickin’ on sarah but mom’s the one who is or was the white trash. Gosh that sounds mean. There are a few more pieces of paper that would be interesting to see. School grades, his thesis, college records. None of these and more to the list have been disclosed….WHY? because they would all prove that Obamas ulterior motives are he is bought and paid for by the radical world that we are fighting. The Blacks or African American of this country who are true african americans don’t realize that it was the decendents of OBAMA that cashed in on the slave trade and shucked their ggggramps to the boats. He calls himself an african american but his father was never a slave and neither was MOM. Jeez talk about the wool over the eyes..they are the whole sheep being led to slaughter.
October 23, 2008 at 4:46 am |
If you can not smell the fishyness on NObama, you don’t have a nose. Take heads out of the liberal sand and grow a brain.
October 23, 2008 at 4:49 am |
Dear Sar,
Black slaves were sold into slavery by African tribal blacks. This is a tradition still envoked within African Nations to this very day.
I am not pleased with our history of utilizing slaves, however, our nation empowered our freed slaves with greater freedom than they would have experienced even if they had remained in their original homelands.
Look at the African nations and see the truth.
October 23, 2008 at 4:53 am |
One more thing I found the following blog dated 21 Oct. and heated debate about same subject. Sorry i could not obtain the web site like i did above I copied some of the page so you can find itas I’m sure some of you can. They don’t seem to know about the above ruling even though their last comment was 5;17 PM hawaii time.
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October 23, 2008 at 4:54 am |
Obama, where were you born?
“Orale vato, I was born in East L.A. Let me choe you my green card.”
No Obama, we want a certified copy of the original 1961 birth certificate.
“Orale, me and the constituchun don’t mix, vato.”
October 23, 2008 at 4:54 am |
Well, it’s been interesting reading the rather extensive blog that seems to be in response to the BO birth certificate issue. Let me state succinctly several simple points:
One, there is a greater conspiracy, and has been since early 20th century, at least. The simple existance of a “federal” reserve bank dictates that. Our US Constitution very PLAINLY disallows such an institution, (as well as a plethora of other “federal” ideas such as “welfare” (socialism), “fairness doctrine” and “handgun registration.”)
Two, regardless of such a greater conspiracy, our country’s moral fiber has eroded away to such an extent that we should not expect anything BUT a downhill slide. We as individuals, families, and communities need to stand firm against the murder of innocent humans in the womb, homosexual endorsement, and the pornographic culture.
Three, how can any sane person think millions of illegal immigrants sucking our tax coffers dry is helpful? Whatever jobs they do would be done by some goofball once the welfare was pulled out from under him/her. Our economy is suffering, PARTLY, because local/state/federal programs support illegals through public schools, hospitals, welfare; PARTLY due to government welfare; PARTLY due to the ridiculous size and spread of our military, etc. etc. Would someone with actual economic credentials like to argue?
And Four, regardless of all of the above, I cannot allow the upcoming election to go by and think that Barak HUSSEIN Obama might become President of this country while I did not cast a vote in opposition. I am certainly no McCain fan, based on his very clear record of compromise in the Senate, but Obama? are you kidding me? He HASN’T proved he is a natural-born citizen…. and that IS one of the prerequisites. He has hung out with various individuals and organizations that are known as anti-American, which would EASILY keep him from being even the simplest of federal agents for FBI, CIA, Secret Service, etc.
Last of all, let me state that you supposedly open-minded liberals are actually being very mentally obtuse. Obama’s philosophy and voting record indicate he is a Marxist…. (don’t be offended- look it up…) and as a country becomes Marxist, the news media and communications lines (ie. internet) become less free, and more constrained to simply repeating what governing entities dictate. Look at China, Cuba, Russia, Venezuala, Iran, etc. and you will notice the freedom to be “liberal” is virtually non-existant. You are an IDIOT to think that as our federal government grows in power and mandate that you will continue to have the freedom of speech you enjoy now. Wake Up !!
VOTE MCCAIN, TREAD WATER, EDUCATE YOURSELF !!
October 23, 2008 at 4:55 am |
i am a marxist and i love o / i love terrorists and i love o / i love evil and i love o / i love deadbeats and i love o / i love filth and i love o
October 23, 2008 at 4:59 am |
This is nuts. People are already voting for this yahoo!
50 million hits on obamacrimes! That’s 1/6 of the US
population that knows about this and the MSM won’t
cover it. This is nuts. This is beyond conspiracy. This
is complete and total monopoly, with no check on it. He
who controls the press controls the people!
October 23, 2008 at 5:00 am |
Here this huge lawsuit is taking place and the only thing the media is talking about is how much Palin spent on her clothes!!
October 23, 2008 at 5:02 am |
The sad part is that many younger people seem to think that it would be “cool” to have a president that partied, and knows terrorists. I was also told that Ayers was in the right because the Vietnam war was wrong. The younger voters are a huge factor, I sure hope they all don’t feel the same as the few I talked to. I know who my vote is for, I just hope Acorn didn’t already vote for me…This is no election.
October 23, 2008 at 5:02 am |
Anyone born of US parents anywhere in the world is a US citizen. To be President one must be born on US territory, or a US government installation if in another country.
Hawaii, like all states, issues a birth certificate (they call it a “Certificate of Live Birth”) to all that are born there. It lists name of child, names of parents, location of birth (what hospital or other address), signed by a doctor.
If a woman who is a Hawaii resident gives birth to a child outside the US in a foreign country, and if she returns to Hawaii within a certain period with the child to Hawaii, the state will issue on request a Certificate of Live Birth for the child showing all the same data as above except that the place of birth will be given a Honolulu with no other address in or outside the US. There will be also no attending physician mentioned. The supporting documentation remains in a sealed state file and cannot be released except by the person’s authorization or a court order. The document serves as a valid birth certificate and proof of citizenship. However it cannot be proof of the birth being in the US.
Obama’s certificate looks like one for a foreign born person. However, if the sealed state file disappeared or was empty, he probably would be given the benefit of doubt for being born in the US and thus eligible to be President.
October 23, 2008 at 5:02 am |
Here this huge lawsuit is taking place and the only thing the media is talking about is how much Palin spent on her clothes!!
October 23, 2008 at 5:04 am |
This is a complete sham. I’m getting pretty close to printing my own newspaper and go downtown and start handing it out. This is obviously in the people’s hands. If the people do nothing, nothing will get done. The judges are obviously not interested in getting to the bottom of this. This is nuts.
October 23, 2008 at 5:07 am |
I’m infuriated right now. What get me most is the complete lack of the American people to think. There’s no ability on the average American (especially the young ones) to think; to use their God given brain. I’ve blogged in other places and these Obamatoids keep pointing to the document at FactCheck as their escape goat.
October 23, 2008 at 5:09 am |
I’ve spoken to some Republicans, and it seems to them that this BC issue is not serious. They really believe that it is bogus. They think it’s like something that comes out in Enquirer. Which by the way, why hasn’t it? They pick up all the junk out there. If this is junk, then why haven’t they touched it?
October 23, 2008 at 5:10 am |
Katy,
Earlier you said that Obama is half black. I thought he is only 6.something % black and 43.something arab + 50% white. Am I wrong on this, anyone?!
October 23, 2008 at 5:10 am |
Obama Campaign to the world: “DAMN THE US CONSTITUTION, DAMN the Freedom of INFORMATION ACT, they have been a thorn in our side for years. Why follow its antiquated rules in this “Global” environment? Are you beginning to get the picture? Why is the Obama campaign FIGHTING THESE LAWSUITS when simply producing the document would end the controversy and SAVE THEM MILLIONS in legal fees. Are you beginning to see a pattern? You had better. Your human rights depend on it.
October 23, 2008 at 5:13 am |
You better believe it! The control of the press is a major mark that something has gone dead wrong. This is not just about Obama’s BC. This is our Constitution, and freedom to voice, our failing judiciary system! This is nuts!
October 23, 2008 at 5:15 am |
I’m just get sick and tired of seeing things go to pot, and doing nothing like most Americans sitting on their duff.
October 23, 2008 at 5:21 am |
Is factcheck a true, and honest source? That site is often used to “prove me wrong”…
October 23, 2008 at 5:22 am |
black says-
Yes those things are happening…but are they forbidden yet? No. Will they be if Obama gets elected? YES!
October 23, 2008 at 5:23 am |
95% of Blacks are voting for Obama and it is called Black Pride.
What if 95% of whites voted for McCain whould it be called White Pride? No – it would be called racism.
Do you see who are the real racists? Farakan, Reverand Wright, Obama and all of the Blacks.
Obama is obviously a radical black militant that is out to destroy our country. Wake up America and NOBAMA!
October 23, 2008 at 5:23 am |
It’s time for another Boston Tea Party.
October 23, 2008 at 5:24 am |
WAKE UP AMERICA… OPEN YOUR EYES!!! IT LOOKS LIKE SOMEONE IS TRYING TO BUY AND STEAL OUR RIGHTS… AND THE DEMOCRATIC LIBS CAN’T EVEN SEE THIS BECAUSE THEY JUST WANT A DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT IN OFFICE… THEY DON’T HAVE YOU OR YOUR CHILDREN/CHILDRENS BEST INTEREST AT HEART!!! OBVIOUSLY THIS HAS BEEN WELL PLANNED FOR SOME TIME. BUT SOMETIMES ITS THE SMALLEST THINGS (BIRTH CERTIFICATE) YOU OVER LOOK IN A WELL PLANNED OBJECTIVE BECAUSE YOU HAVE YOUR EYES ON BIGGER THINGS…ACORN, GETTING THE EARLY VOTE OUT SO PEOPLE CAN’T CHANGE THEIR MIND WHEN THEY COME TO THEIR SENSES ON ELECTION DAY… GETTING MONEY FROM SPECIAL INTEREST, ETC… IF IT WAS THE OTHER WAY AROUND AND MCAIN/PALIN WERE ON THE DEMOCRATIC TICKET IT WOULD BE A NO BRAINER AND A SLAM DUNK!!! THIS ELECTION ISN’T SO MUCH ABOUT US OR IF YOU CALL YOURSELF A DEMOCRAT/REPUBLICAN IT’S ABOUT WHAT’S RIGHT AND WHAT’S WRONG , BUT MORE IMPORTANT IT’S ABOUT OUR CHILDREN AND THEIR CHILDREN’S FUTURE WITHOUT THEM THERE WOULDN’T BE AN AMERICA.
October 23, 2008 at 5:25 am |
Rosemary!!! I love you! You are a true, blue American! My grandparents immigrated from Norway—Ellis Island and to this day I cannot speak Norwegian except for maybe twenty words I heard mainly around holidays. My ancestors were proud Americans and ONLY spoke English around us children! I would love to speak Norwegian (two dialects between their families), but, I trusted their judgement and feel SO fortunate that they believed in America!!! I have proudly shared their values with my children and now two grandchildren. God BLess America!!!
October 23, 2008 at 5:27 am |
Harold143
You took the words right out of my mouth.
October 23, 2008 at 5:30 am |
I am a democrat and I consider myself to be a social conservative democrat. I agree with a lot of the things that Mc Cain stands for. I am a college student and this is the first election that I have really gotten into. What I don’t understand is how most Republicans hate those who don’t think and see things the way they do. I am not here to get be rude or disrespectful; however I just want my voice to be heard. it hurts me that as a devout Christian and believer in Jesus Christ we Americans are treating each other the way I have seen in this 2008 election. Christ says to love your brothers and sisters in him and leave the judging to him. Now that does not mean to look away when wrong is being done. I hear on the radio shows, Laura Ingram and Michael Savage so many times that I am stupid because I am not registered as a Republican or because I may vote for Obama. To tell you the truth one of the reasons that I would be hesitant for voting for McCain is because of the people on these radio shows who speak so badly about innocent people like myself who are proud of this country and may have different views on things. It really turns me off to hear some Republicans talk the way they do about others who are not Republicans. We should be uniting as Americans and children of God. No matter who gets the election God is still in control and I think people have forgotten about that. I just want peace no more hatred for one another. Jesus is LOVE not fear or Hatred, what happened to the body of Christ here in America?
October 23, 2008 at 5:30 am |
Obama will show the true colors of what he is and he is in the SpotLIGHT. The radical sleeper islamic socialist turned democratic party will get his chance to show how much of a Jeremiah Wright he really is.
October 23, 2008 at 5:32 am |
Obama is a liar and David Axelrod is a traitor!!!!!!!!!!!! They have defiled our constitution. The FBI needs to investigate this immediately.
October 23, 2008 at 5:37 am |
JaNae-
I totally agree with you but the fact of the matter is that both sides do the same thing. It shouldn’t be that way but it is and it’s really sad. Michael Savage actually doesn’t like McCain anyway…but I sorta of dissagree. I respect him and what he has done for this country but he doesn’t seem to want it that much. It shouldn’t be about who is wrong and right with their opinions, but who is the best man for the job.
October 23, 2008 at 5:40 am |
Thanks for your response I agree with you that both sides are guilty of doing this. I just wish that we as a people can come together and look beyond our differences and make the right decisions based on who we feel is the right person for the job, not for the sake of party lines. At the end of the day we are all Americans and if anything were to ever happen here we would all pull together as one, just wish we could now. I appreciate your comment, thanks again!
October 23, 2008 at 5:46 am |
Where’s the CIA when we need them?
October 23, 2008 at 5:50 am |
Can somebody help me out here?
I read a lot of posts about Obama being a “sleeper candidate,” that “this has been planned for a long time,” etc.
Help me piece together the narrative then? I am genuinely and respectfully curious as to how you may imagine this working out.
I assume his secret past indicates that he would use the platform of the Presidency to enact directly anti-American policies that go far beyond what he has articulated to date. That is the idea right?
For example, if he is a sleeper, when was he programmed? By whom? How does Chicago and Ayers play into the Islamic angle?
What would be finally uncovered if all were made clear? Can you spell out a timeline?
October 23, 2008 at 6:02 am |
This is conservatism? -
I’m not really sure as to why you are asking this over and over when a number of people have already talked about it. No one knows what he’s going to do. That is the scary part…he is unpredictable and not trustworthy. He says he’s going to make all these changes and end the war and lower taxes…blah blah blah…but has he done anything? Has he accomplished one thing while he’s been in the Senate?
And to answer your question…well it isn’t much of a question. Predicting the outcome of an election is near impossible…BUT the way it is heading now suggets some form of communism for the US. If Obama gets elected, I think he will take our guns, take our freedom and speech, and probably just about every other right we have. I don’t think he really believes in this country and if we were to start some other kind of war with Islamic people I strongly believe he would side with them. He did, afterall, say he’d support the Islamic culture and its people “no matter which direction it goes in”. That, to me, is scary.
October 23, 2008 at 6:07 am |
Go here:
http://www.neverfindout.org
October 23, 2008 at 6:09 am |
Obama is not a Muslim, no matter how many times you say it. His birth certificate has been released, and it’s from Hawaii. And even if he was born in a foreign country, the fact that his mother was a US citizen makes him a US citizen. (Read the Constitution). McCain was born in the Panama Canal zone, does that make him a foreigner, too
Actually you have to be born within the united states or out lying territories. Thats why illegals have their children in the states. It is called the anchor baby law.
October 23, 2008 at 6:13 am |
Obama gave up his citizenship when his mother moved him to Indonesia (the Nationality Act of 1940).
Prior to 1922 any WOMAN (not man) marrying an alien immediately lost U.S. citizenship until such time as her husband died and/or she divorced them. Upon which time she regained her citizenship immediately. The 1940 act repealed that allowing any woman who married an alien to continue to retain her U.S. citizenship. Read the Act and the history of that Act.
Per section 401 and 407 of the same Act
“American nationality shall not be lost as the result of loss of American nationality by the parent unless and until the child attains the age of twenty-three years without having acquired permanent residence in the United States.” – Obama returned from Indonesia after 3 years in 1970 to go to School in Hawaii and remained living in the U.S. thereafter.
Obama became a citizen of Kenya in 1963 through his father.
In truth all children born to Kenyan parents outside of Kenya prior to 1963 were afforded Kenyan citizenship until such time as they turn 21. At the age of 21 they are dissallowed from having dual citizenship and must swear allegiance to Kenya and renounce any other citizenship. Since Obama has not sworn allegiance to Kenya, nor renounced his US citizenship, by default his Kenyan citizenship was revoked at the age of 21.
http://kenya.rcbowen.com/constitution/chap6.html#97
Obama was born in Kenya!
Proof? In previous interviews Obama’s grandmother Sarah Obama defended him to the U.S. public stating “he’s not some foreigner”. The multiple videos available so far she states nothing regarding his birth. Some people mention this “other video” where she does but so far noone has produced a link to such a video. So far we have no pictures of a Kenyan birth certificate. We have no video of Kenyan relatives claiming witness. We have no physical records showing any proof backing Berg, Corsi, or Martin.
Presumption of Innocence?
In the U.S. we have a little thing called Innocent until proven Guilty. It’s what keeps crazy people like me from accusing others of eating live babies or walking through my house at night stealing only my left socks. The burden of proof is not on the defendant to show that they are innocent. The burden of proof is on the Plaintiff to prove that the defendant is guilty. The defendant need not defend themselves in anyway or show proof against the complaint if they don’t want to. The court gets to decide whether or not the Official Hawaiian COLB is proof enough or if the original Hospital records need to be provided. The COLB is proof enough of citizenship typically.
Forged COLB?
Debunked. Photo’s have been provided and the physical copy has been inspected as well as verified with the state of Hawaii. The opposition’s “expert” witnesses coming forward consist of two/three bloggers who have failed to provide any proof that they are experts in any legal sense. Saying I have twenty years experience with printers, imaging, and documents does not make me a document forensics expert. The next step now that the forgery has been dis proven is to attempt to gain access to the original hospital certificate microfiche.
Why doesn’t he just come clean with the documentation?
Why should he. Legally he’s not required. It does little to actually quell the oposition who will likely choose to disbelieve anyway. Plus it will not stop litigious prigs like Martin – who by the way was once and may still be barred from filing in any Federal court due to his abuse of the courts.
Example: If Obama provided his full medical history including original certificate, a video tape of him eating pork while pledging the oath, and 2 witnesses to his birth in Hawaii – there would still be a board like this picking apart the information saying that it was all forged by some al Qaeda sleeper cell and swearing that they had seen the “witnesses” in a Hardees commercial in 1981.
It’s okay to be skeptical. Skepticism keeps us safe. But at some point Skepticism crosses the line into Paranoia.
Why is it bad to use Obama’s middle name?
Because it is used to imply “otherness”, because it is understood to resonate poorly with people due to an association with Saddam Hussein. And the fact that the competing candidate is not referred to as John Sidney McCain or John SIDNEY McCain by his detractors.
He said 57 states, there are 57 ISLAMIC states!
Yes there are 57 Islamic states represented in the OIC as well as several “Obersvers” including Russia and the U.N. As well as an official U.S. representative appointed by George Bush. There also happened to have been 47 states that Obama had visited at the time of that speech. You get to decide whether he mispoke 57 for 47 or whether he meant the Organization of the Islamic Conference’s 57 member states. Occam’s Razor.
He associates with terrorists!
Yes, he (McCain) does; a CONVICTED felon who plotted to firebomb buildings, organize break-ins, plot kidnappings, and suggest violence against agents of the government of the United States of America.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._Gordon_Liddy
He’s a racist, and reverend Wright is a racist!
Whay the outrage over racism? I see no outrage by the commentators here or elsewhere on “conservative” message boards when someone throws out that he’s a nigger, or a sand-nigger or a muslim. Where’s your sense of justice and accountability within your own party? Let ye who is without sin cast the first stone.
Don’t believe me? Then help this man with evidence to the contrary – http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/
October 23, 2008 at 6:13 am |
Yes…and McCain was born on a millitary base…idiot.
October 23, 2008 at 6:13 am |
this whole obama trip is a stunt. it is a distraction planned by AXELROD. obama doesn’t care about his paleface grandma. he didn’t go to see his mother before she dies. as a lawyer he didn’t even help her with her inurance claims. but he says he ‘watched her argue with insurance people’. no he didn’t he lied.
October 23, 2008 at 6:17 am |
bush wants obama elected. he thinks it will make bush look good since obama would be a trainee is the white house.
no leadership, managerial or executive experience at any level.
could he manage the lunch rush at a mcdonalds? the answer Y_ or N_.
October 23, 2008 at 6:18 am |
Look if FIDEL CASTRO was able to FOOL the CIA and the American government into helping him launch a revolution that hammered all his enemies in CUBA It’s not altogether impossible that this guy OBAMA is doing the same thing. Castro pulled the wool over every agent in AMERICA and had us believe he was a NICE LITTLE CAPATALIST.
In-fortunatly he turned CUBA into a police state run by thugs that rubbed out its opposition over nitght.
I can spot a con job when I see and hear it and this guy is going to take ALL of us for a ride.
Beware of what you wish for!
October 23, 2008 at 6:30 am |
Hi Katy-
Thanks for sending that link.
I’m not asking what you predict will happen (though that is an interesting question)
Nobody knows but you must have some ideas in mind. You yourself wrote that “free speech will be gone under Obama.” How would that actually work? You must imagine some scenario or
you wouldn’t have said it.
I am asking those (not necessarily you) who believe or strongly suspect that Obama is some kind
of Manchurian Candidate/ sleeper terrorist how they imagine that scenario played out in the past that got us here, on the verge of his being elected.
I count over a dozen direct statements on this page alone that Obama is some kind of sleeper.
How so? How would that work?
October 23, 2008 at 6:31 am |
If this is true,and he cant be president,I “HOPE” the people that riot take it out on the media that has lied and covered for this man for 2 years. Maybe we can “CHANGE” the biased Lamestream media,they are the problem along with the socialist indoctrination of the chidren in this country,And the Dumbocrats would look even more stupid if this were true,that would mean they’ve been covering this up for months now!
October 23, 2008 at 6:36 am |
Katy,
you say that Obama would “side” with the Islamic nation the USA was at war with when he was President?
Really? Why do you believe that? You understand that he is not a Muslim but just has a Muslim sounding name?
Furthermore, you understand that Islam is not “optional” We can’t choose to live in a world without Islam. We need to promote and defend a moderate Islam in all ways.
Check out this debate from the Conservative Forum
October 23, 2008 at 6:46 am |
Are you kidding me ? B.H.O. is not African / (or) American. Exactly what he is genetically who only knows. I’m not a predijudical raceist… I am a
Charactor biggot… I can’t stand liers & proveyers of half truth ( yes I know He is a Lawyer, therefore suspect) Barry,AKA Barack has been a decietful operator in my opinion from the VERY begining. I do believe he HOOD winked the vetting committee who gave him a RACIAL PASS…
If you are in the right…disclose
Start with your papers, show U.S.
Next is your Medical records… covering up any HIV/AIDS, Lung CANCER From smoking 2 packs a day, C.C.Enemia or other genetically inherited diseases (sorry for the racial profile, less than 50% chance of CCE)…Show U.S. anyways !
Next is your Transcripts, including grade school through College… Were You an honor student…Show U.S.
I personally would like to see the HUD-1 on your real estate acquistion…Show M.E.
And how did you get your passport ?(s)
What were you doing 1981 ? Mr. Berg claims you entered Pakistan ? How?
Sorry…j U.S. t had to ask some questions… will wait for some answers.
As to your religion, I believe in the separation of church and state… you can believe in Jesus, Allah or even HaShem (or none of the above) You might even be accepted by 2 out of 3… The Muslims claim You based solely on your Muslim father Barack, He would really screw you up by calling you JEWnior… you poor child, Jesus loves everyone. Despite all this you could be President of the U.S. , Just Show U.S.
October 23, 2008 at 7:03 am |
blowmamma obama what ever! my issue is gay marrage ,screw that lets get real its a dibotchery of nature,as is beastieality, if we allow gays to benifit from marrage, well that means obammas cousins or family members can marry there goats,or what about the guy who cant help him self and his desire to touch childeren,thats a debotchery as well were does it stop!!!!
October 23, 2008 at 7:31 am |
Check out http://www.liberal-land.com! It’s my gift to Sean Hannity (www.liberalland.com is Alan Colmes)
October 23, 2008 at 7:34 am |
How about this…. Obama announced (when he picked him) that “here is Joe Biden the next President of the United States”.
I think it is a way Hillary can get in the back door, when Obama drops out.
The not voting for Obama and being considered a racist is equal to YOU not voting for Palin and YOU being a sexist. Get over it ya twinkies! I just do NOT like him becasue he comes from a state that has 10% tax rate and rising. Share the poverty is more like it.
Si, se puede – is the Mexican illegal immigration rally cry and CHANGE is what we can expect to have left when Democrats get into power and RETROACTIVELY raise our taxes.
CLINTON did it AND he could have never gotten a security clearance either, so do not expect that to stop NObama.
God help us all.
October 23, 2008 at 7:35 am |
The great Ozbama has spoken, now go and get the witches broom and bring it back to me after she is dead. Never mind about the man behind the curtain. The great powerful Ozbama….oh, foooy, you found me out.
I feel like I am in a bad night mare, on a plane with four engines flaming, the captain and crew all missing and the controls to the plane with all its passengers are left to the mentally ill liberals who do not know which way is up or down. We are doomed.
October 23, 2008 at 7:49 am |
Holy shit heroes! If Obama turns out to not be a US citizen, all hell is going to break loose. The Democrats will have no candidate unless they reinstate Hillary. Even if they do reinstate Hillary, theres not a shot in hell she can win. Its too late in this election for her to do anything. Biden holding a ticket? HAHA what a joke. This guy chews on his own toenails more than Obama says ‘uhhhh”. If this does turn out to be true, the Dems are finished this election and maybe for some time to come. This may be a blessing in disguise for conservatism. Well maybe not so much disguised, but a cherry on top of your ice cream sundae. McCain may have not been our choice for candidate, but if this turns out to be true….. its a landslide. Obama did not run to Hawaii when his grandmother got hurt, hes only running back now because there is a lawsuit with his name in it. Call it internet buzz if you want. This is a real issue.
October 23, 2008 at 8:04 am |
The Constitution of The United States of America – Article II – The Executive Article, Nature and Scope of Presidential Power (Section 1, Paragraph 5):
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
So, the fact that Barack Hussein Obama, a natural born Kenyan citizen (until otherwise proven with a certified birth certificate on national television), a former Muslim, raises questions about the constitutionality of his candidacy for president in the first place, and if elected (people are already voting for him), would become the first naturalized American citizen to become president of the United States.
Why all of a sudden the urgency to visit his grandmother? If she is ill, what illness does she have? Does it constitute such a concern as to postpone his campaign for several days? Can a doctor, a certified doctor, confirm the illness of her grandmother? If her grandmother is in a hospital, this wouldn’t happen to be the same hospital which issued the unverifiable birth certificate placed on their anti-smear website, would it?
And by the way, to the fact that John McCain was born in the Panama Canal, for one, it was a U.S. Territory, like Puerto Rico, A PART OF THE UNITED STATES, LET ALONE THE AMERICAN CONTINENT. KENYA IS A COUNTRY IN AFRICA, THE AFRICAN CONTINENT, AND WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS A BRITISH COLONY AT THE TIME IS IRRELEVANT TO THE ISSUE THAT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA WAS NOT BORN IN THE UNITED STATES, THEREFORE HE SHOULDN’T EVEN BE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.
I will be waiting for certified proof, which I estimate will miraculously show up sometime after his visit to Hawaii.
October 23, 2008 at 8:15 am |
Correction: Panama Canal area, at the time of his birth, under the control of the United States (I’m sure someone will try to make a joke about being born ‘in the panama canal’).
Clarification: I’m not saying that Barack Hussein Obama IS a muslim, I’m just saying that he WAS a muslim, not to confuse anyone.
October 23, 2008 at 8:17 am |
Clarification: NA meaning Non-Applicable, NOT the hypothesized website that the link sends anyone who clicks to.
October 23, 2008 at 8:23 am |
This is such a sad show with an anormous amount of Lost people…We are human beings, no matter what label you have given yourself..liberal, conservative, radical, etc. America used to be a bible based country. Now all you hear is hate and spiteful rhetoric to demean and demolish another. How much further in debt or disaster can either McCain or Obama get this country into? And Mr. Savage how do you sleep at night?? To mention a another possible civil war against liberals and conservatives. You seem demented and sick. What you all must remember is that ultimately God is in control. Who are you worshiping…a politician? This show is being led by the blind. America is looking awful because of people like you. I will keep you in my prayers Mr. Savage.
October 23, 2008 at 8:49 am |
Katy
Go to bed…It’s waaaaaaay past a 16 year old’s bedtime. Where’s your mommie? Probably at an Obama Rally. Goooooo Mom!!!
October 23, 2008 at 9:14 am |
Obama is not African American. Review his history. 50% white, 44% Arab, 6% African. BHO is Arab American. The Kenyan Luo tribe is largely Arab, not African. They emigated from the northern Sudan (Arab) to Kenya. He is by birth Muslim according to Sharia law (so called by a misogynist, hateful and backward culture).
October 23, 2008 at 9:53 am |
LET’S FACE IT. IT’S CURTAINS FOR BO! ALL HAIL MCCAIN AND FINE PALIN. GOOD NITE! P.S WE NEED CAPT AMERICA!!!!!!!!1
October 23, 2008 at 11:03 am |
EVERYTHING ABOUT OBAMA SCREAMS DANGER!!! THIS MAN HAS LIED ABOUT HIS BIRTH,AFFILIATIONS,RELIGION…AND CALLING HIMSELF A BLACK MAN. I HAVE 2 NEICES THAT ARE MIXED BLACK/WHITE. THEY ARE MIXED, NOT BLACK, AND SO IS HE. HE HATES WHITE PEOPLE JUST AS J. WRIGHT AND AYERS DO! HIS IRRITATING WIFE TOO. HOW CAN HE KNOW WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A BLACK MAN, HE WAS RAISED BY WHITES, WENT TO JIHAD SCHOOLS, WENT TO HARVARD, OMG, IT MAKES ME HAVE A MIGRAINE EVEN THINKING ABOUT THE DELUDED MASSES THAT WANT OBAMA/HITLER…IF HE WINS, THEY WILL ALL GET EXACTLY WHAT THEY DESERVE.
October 23, 2008 at 11:05 am |
I was not born in this country but became an American citizen at the age of 16. My parents with no high school education went to the American embassy in Peru and applied for a visa and after a long time of waiting got their visas. My Parents, who worked as dishwashers, janitors and babysitters saved enough money to get their American dream!!!!! And this is my question: Why have all you forgotten where you came from and why your ancestors came to this country? I am seeing that the Americans that live here are asking for a hand out while we that have emigrated to this country love this country more. All I ask is that you remember why your ancestors came to this country! And if you are not happy with this country then go back to your country of origin, where I am sure you can be happy and prosper and have the freedom to talk bad about anything you want!
October 23, 2008 at 11:42 am |
The Muslim Sleeper Obama is secretly tied to Dr. kaliid Halamatari Abdul Monsur, Rev. Wright, Farakkan and Ayers are less than amatures in comparison to these two dangerous Camel Jockeys in disguise. Beware America, Beware…..
October 23, 2008 at 11:47 am |
IT doesnt matter, nothing matters anymore, i say start hoarding up food and water, get your guns warmed up and wait for the revolution, the end of days is comming to the USA, this is a planned event – good vs evil , i’ll be sitting in the shadows waiting for the invasion with the rest of the true red white and blue americans !
October 23, 2008 at 12:33 pm |
ok i have to respond to the dumb butt on here that call everyone an idiot
all presidential candids should have to birth certifies
if Obama wasent born in the US then No he can not be President
and if and McCain was born into a Military family so any US military base in the world is in the US. and all US law apply
October 23, 2008 at 12:43 pm |
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October 23, 2008 at 1:03 pm |
Obama is not a U.S. Citizen by birth. He cannot be President of the U.S. then, just like me who naturalized in 1992. Obama is a fraud.
October 23, 2008 at 1:06 pm |
Those who doubt Obama’s ties with Islam, read this article:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/12/obamas-kenya-ghosts/
You’ll notice he campaigned for “change” over there in Kenya too. Hope you women out there voting for him like to wear Burkas.
October 23, 2008 at 1:08 pm |
Obama and the DNC has admitted to him being born out side the U.S. by not answering the Law Suit Over his birth cirtificate. See the artical at http://www.truth2freedom.wordpress.com/articals/. the DNC must now Provide an Eligable Candiddate.
October 23, 2008 at 1:39 pm |
MCCAIN IS AMERICAN DUH HE WAS BORN TO A MILITARY FAMILY BIG DIFF WITH SOMEONE LIKE OBAMA BEING BORN TO A SINGLE MOM AMERICAN OR NOT HIS DAD WASNT GUESS YOU NEED TO READ THE CONSTITUTION MORE BESIDES THAT OBAMAS STEP DAD ADOPTED HIM AND HE BECAME A CITIZEN OF INDONESIA SO WHERE IS THE PROF HE CHANGED HIS CITIZENSHIP BACK
October 23, 2008 at 1:49 pm |
Hmm….. As much as I dislike Obama, I have to admit that it seems pretty reasonable that the document provided by Obama is completely legitimate. Here is a link to HQ pictures of it (including the raised seal) from Factcheck.org:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
Unfortunately, if Patriot Says post above is correct, he will need to step down from being the candidate and renounce himself as being US born by not answering the lawsuit filed in a timely manner.
October 23, 2008 at 1:53 pm |
After years and years of being alive you should no ONE FACT. ANDY MARTIN MARTIN IS FULL OF SHIT!
October 23, 2008 at 1:56 pm |
You People are Acting Idiodically
WE built this country, hoss. YOU can go off to your delusional homestead up yonder and close yourself off from the “foreigners.” The other 6 Billion people can and will get along just fine without you.
FYI. No you people didn’t build this country. WE all built this country! 70% of this nation is old America the new america is more like the old Africa or the old Mexico corrupt and sleazy.
October 23, 2008 at 1:58 pm |
Obama is a fraud.Obama is a fraud. Obama is a fraud. Obama is a fraud.
Obama is a fraud. Obama is a fraud. Obama is a fraud. Obama is a fraud.
Obama is a BABY KILLER Obama is a BABY KILLER Obama is a BABY KILLER
Obama is for GAYS Obama is for GAYS Obama is for GAYS Obama is for GAYS
October 23, 2008 at 2:21 pm |
Obama and the DNC were required to answer the lawsuit and show the actual birth certificate in court not on the internet. If Obama is not a natural born citizen (He was in fact born in Kenya to a non US citizen father), He is not eligible to hold the Office of the president of the United States. It’s not me saying that it’s the Constitution.
October 23, 2008 at 2:29 pm |
Why hasn’t the media interviewed Obama’s grandparents in Hawaii asking when and where he was born? Which Hospital? What doctor? Which friends or neighbors knew about the birth? Confirm his mother’s passport records? Obama’s other grandmother in Kenya confirms that Obama was born in Kenya. She states she was there at the hospital in Kenya when Obama was born. Also, how is it that Obama as an adult, flew to Pakistan, when at the time no US citizen were allowed to enter the country. If he had an Indonesian passport, then he was permitted. What was his reason for visiting Pakistan? If Obama becomes president, questions like these and hundreds of others will probably never be answered. It’s truly amazing that with his affiliation of Bill Ayers and others like him, Obama would never qualify in any entry FBI or CIA position, but yet he might become their boss!
October 23, 2008 at 2:46 pm |
What scares me about this guy is his stance on all issues, gun control, abortion, foreign policy, health care, etc. Look at what he says and look at how he has voted as a US congressman or in the Ill state senate. Also look at the past organizations that he has either worked for or supported and what they stand for.Look at his personal relationships and the character of these people and what they stand for. Look at his affiliations with the church Trinity United Methodist Church where pastor J Wright has spewed his hatred for America for more than the 20 years that Obama has belonged to it. On their website they used to state point blank that they only welcome black people only. They have updated the website since then but if you dig deep they seem to be more concerned with social issues and their relationships with muslim countries than with Jesus Christ. Everything about this man seems to follow a pattern of deception and anti-Americanism.
October 23, 2008 at 2:49 pm |
It doesnt matter who “wins” when the game is being controlled by someone else.B.O and Mcshame are both members of CFR…so kiss your rights and the constitution goodbye!
October 23, 2008 at 2:51 pm |
“WAKE UP, AMERICA!”
Do we really want to be like Europe?… I don’t think so.
England is on the verge of being taken over by the Muslims as we speak!
The weak socialist government there are allowing Islamic extremists to govern the Muslim people under their own Islamic(Sharia law’s).
It’s only a matter of time till that law infiltrate,s its self into regular British law, and Brits are being held hostage in their own country!
(THE FOX IS ALREADY IN HEN HOUSE OVER THERE!) AND YOU WANT TO PUT A MUSLIM IN OUR WHITE HOUSE, ARE YOU KIDDING ME!…
GOD HELP US!….
October 23, 2008 at 3:15 pm |
This is an exclusive exposing the Barack Obama birth certificate as an absolute forgery and it has been in plain sight all along.
There can not be any Obamaniacs descending on sites claiming the experts are wrong, pixels are wrong or any other way of muddying the waters as the 1000 points of darkness have been carrying out their marching orders.
When you examine the published Barack Obama birth certificate which exposes the fraud and forgery of this document. This is the certified certificate from Barack Obama himself.
What has been staring everyone in the face is the effects of political correctness and no one has seen it. The beauty of this liberal political correctness is that the person who forged this document got caught in their own trap of affirmative action hyphenated Americans.
Look closely at Stanley Ann Dunham’s race. Caucasian.
Now look closely at Barack Hussein Obama sr’s race. It is listed as African.
That doesn’t seem all that interesting and no one has noticed it until one looks that this is an official document filed in August 1961.
Most people on the internet and blogging have no sense of history nor in the use of words and it is this lack of sense which is going to bite whoever forged this document.
Up until 1968, the standard term for all Africans was “negroe”. This fit with the absolute secular scientific teaching of the day which notes the world has 3 races in Mongoloid, Caucasoid and Negroid.
It was not until the Black Revolution when negroe or negro became a foul description in the late 1960’s and then “black” was demanded by this group to describe them.
It was not until the late 1970’s when political correctness came into vogue that it ushered in by the 1980’s the term “African” to describe all blacks.
Whoever forged this birth certificate was not utilizing the 1960’s terminology which a black person would be listed as. They fell instead into a warped year 2000 politically correct description of “African”.
This is absolutely telling as if you looked at birth records in Prussia centuries ago, those people would be termed Prussian, Bavarian etc… as Germany did not yet exist as a termonology for nation state. If someone was listed as German in 1700, it would be glaring forgery just like the Obama forgery stuns the eyes once one knows what they are looking at.
One could research the certificates in Hawaii for absolutes, but considering as has been warned in this blog that Hawaii is a Democratic state, has Democratic officials who have been hemming and hawing about this certificate and only upon precise questioning do they start backing down as it means their jobs and prison time if they certify a forgery as real and this is Democratic transplanted son Barack Obama carrying on this charade, could one ever get a clear answer from them unless one looked at numbers of birth certificates to precisely learn how Hawaii was labeling “blacks”.
If this case it is African, then why is not Stanley Ann Dunham labeled correctly North American after her continent? She though is labeled correctly as caucasian as that is exactly as she is.
If one still today searches enough death certificates in the 50 United States, you will find listed on them the term NEGRO. Now that is over 40 years since 1961 in Barack Obama’s birth and political correctness has not reached completely into the coroner’s records.
That fact is scientific and if it still exists today as proof it certainly is the proof from before 1900 in America and past 1960 that all blacks were noted as “negroe” or “negro” on all public records from birth certificates, marriage licenses, passports, driver’s licenses to death certificates.
Whoever forged the Barack Obama birth certificate got caught in Mr. Obama’s own political correctness.
In 1961 America, blacks were negroes and not Africans no matter if they came from Africa or not.
If one cares to examine the Negroe Leagues in baseball where blacks were to “pass” as Cubans to the United Negroe College Fund to the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, there was no African at all in any terminology.
One was negroe on legal documents and “colored” in common usage.
No pixels in this. No questioning borders and no questions about the researcher’s expertise as negroe is American history and scientific fact just like whoever forged the Obama birth certificate got caught in political correctness in not being able to use a term they were trained to avoid.
That is a fact. This birth certificate is a fake.
October 23, 2008 at 3:31 pm |
With friends like BO throwing everybody that gets in his way under the bus who needs enemies?
October 23, 2008 at 3:33 pm |
The irony is, that McCain has a more questionable citizenship.
October 23, 2008 at 3:41 pm |
Barack is going to grandma to pull out the feeding tube before she talks.
October 23, 2008 at 3:43 pm |
Let me get this “straight”, Mike Savage is an ACT? OK this ACT informed his listeners over 3 months ago that neither McCane nor Obama will TOUCH Illegle Immigration and Border control issues.This ACT informed his listeners how MUCH illegle’s have cost West Coast States hospitals ,and how many illegles got low interest garanteed loans unconstitutionly,nevermind out right fraud.Anywhere hear about the bad loan notes floating around?
If Mike Savage is an ACT..he’s a tough ACT to follow.
October 23, 2008 at 3:44 pm |
Mike Savage for Prez.,He’s got it right
October 23, 2008 at 3:54 pm |
After looking at Obama’s fight the smear site and viewing the “birth certificate”
As a graphic artist, father of a 9 year old and also having to get a copy of my own birth certificate, here are 3 problems I see with it:
1) Lack of transparency with regards to the certificate number, it’s blacked out. Nobody can call and verify it without it. That would make the whole story dissolve.
2) Lack of a state seal. On my daughter’s and my own there is an embossed seal. Even a scan would reveal one half of it and be visible. It’s not there, not one trace.
3) Third and foremost to me as a Graphic Artist. This doesn’t look like a scan of a physical document, no folds or dings or shadowy edge present. The lettering and fonts appear to me electronic. Meaning it was done with Quark Xpress or Indesign or Photoshop.
As a test, everyone who HAS a copy of their birth certificate or other legal document from their local municipality, with a seal, should scan theirs and compare the results.
October 23, 2008 at 3:55 pm |
I can not explain the delight I am feeling , from reading the many delusional post on this web page. May all you racist find something better to hate Obama. about. Being proud bigots is dum.
OBAMA O8
October 23, 2008 at 3:58 pm |
Oboma will be the trojon horse that takes down America,its as simple as that!
October 23, 2008 at 4:00 pm |
Look it’s ok all those people voting for Obama might as well start giving up your money now. I mean lol give it to me I am a stay at home mom I can use it. That is exactly what redistributing the wealth means. So those drug addicts and alcoholics and lazy people who can’t hold a job can live for free when they don’t deserve it. So you earn it they get it. Think that’s fair? As for someone being a legal citizen I’m with the understanding that a certification of Live birth is much different then a certificate of Birth. As Far as I also understand that even Hawaii requires more Identification to go with a certification of live birth as it’s not the same as a Birth Cert. If he is legal fine but I don’t trust him with my future or that of my kids. Do you want your jobs to go under because companies can no longer afford to pay you well because they have to redistribute the wealth? Or because they get taxed to pay to be a citizen of the world? I’m sorry I think it’s ridiculous.
October 23, 2008 at 4:00 pm |
Savage is a jackass. I listened to his show last night for the first and last time. The accusation that Barack Obama is not an American citizen is patently false. I’d stake my nuts that Savage will never have the courage to publicly announce that on the air.
The worst part about all of you is the vitriolic nature of your attacks on the fact that he is an “elitist”. The reality of the situation is that he is elite, not elitist. Elitist somehow implies that he is out to help only the best in our country, when the truth is he is out for everyone and knows the best way to do that is to give assistance to the middle class. When they can afford to buy, it helps big business, so in the long run even they are helped.
He is elite. He is brilliant. We should want that in a president. Being educated at Yale and Harvard is no simple task. After that he took his skills and immediately set to helping the underprivileged. And for that, you attack him? I think that is not the behavior of an elitist. It is the behavior of a true American patriot.
Mark my words. One day there will be a statue in his honor on the National Mall.
October 23, 2008 at 4:01 pm |
Obama’s birth certificate has the original seal and has been approved by the State Dept. End of story.
http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/2008/09/reports-that-ob.html
October 23, 2008 at 4:03 pm |
“50% white, 44% Arab, 6% African. ”
where do you get this stuff? the Luo tribe from which Obama’s father comes does not come
from Arabs but Nubians, Buganda and Toro. Their wayback lineage is from Sudan but centuries before Sudan was Arab.. Most Luo, by the way are christians. As if it matters.
Furthermore, “Arabs” have their own roots in North Africa around 8BC (long after the Luo appeared by the way)
You shouldn’t accuse the Left of distorting history and making stuff up. Just look at this page. Just look at the TOTALLY CONTRADICTORY conspiracy theories all lined up.
Your fear of whatever is blinding your capacity for rational thought. He is not a muslim, communist, foreigner, terrorist or any such nonsense. If you disagree with him, great. But don’t discredit the opposition with insane raving BS.
October 23, 2008 at 4:03 pm |
Even if Obama is discovered to be of foreign descent,he’ll still be waived on in. Though people should care,none will,and that clearly shows how dumbed down we’ve become.
October 23, 2008 at 4:12 pm |
This all seems like a bad dream! How the hell is this moron pulling this off? Is the American public this stupid?? Obama couldn’t get elected “dog catcher” with his background, and he’s probably gonna win the presidency if you believe these polls. I alway felt that the American press was fair in their reporting, but this is an absolute joke. I’ve never seen such ‘whitewashing’ of facts like in this election. The NY Times and other left-wing media outlets should really be ashamed of themselves. If there were photos of Barack Obama sticking his penis in a young boy’s mouth, the caption would read: “Barack Obama gives much needed protein to young boy!” — God help us if this asshole gets elected.. WAKE UP AMERICA!!!
October 23, 2008 at 4:14 pm |
Boybama won’t make it past the third trimester. Still clinging to our Bibles and guns. 200 million people can’t be wrong! Boybama was born in a focking manger in a burning village in Kenya where his brutha George lives!!!
October 23, 2008 at 4:15 pm |
Savage is also a pathetic little man raving at a world that passed him by, but he is also enough of a carnival salesman to turn it into a freakshow that people line up to see.
He is the voice of the Right’s deep subconscious fear and anger. He puts into words and states as fact what their rational minds prevent them from even saying to themselves.
Completely different point, interesting to note that more than 95% of subprime loans have not and will not default. It is tiny few the set off the chain of events. The responsibility lies with an unregulated finance system (both D and R) that could allow mark-to-market pricing of assets cause such a problem. For the entire banking system not to be able to handle a 5% spike in defaults and collapse in face of this comparatively insignificant problem.
Of the 5% that defaulted perhaps some were owned by people with less than clear citizenship status, and if that is so, then surely many of the 95% of the loans that are OK were as well. Think about it.
If you and Savage insist on blaming the outsider, the foreigner, the Other for problems, go ahead. It’s an old and pathetic mindset.
Just don’t confuse your fear and blind rage with sober reality.
October 23, 2008 at 4:17 pm |
You Americans are so dumb ! Here you are fooled by this red herring of an issue – what you should be concentrating on is the fact that Obama is a black Marxist who will put the final nails in the coffin of your once glorious country.
You should have heeded the wisdom of your founding fathers who warned you that negroes are only 3/5 of a person – you should never have allowed the colored people the right to vote, let alone run for or hold public office – that is just giving away your liberty.
Good bye USA
October 23, 2008 at 4:18 pm |
The lawsuit in question was filed by a Democrat.
October 23, 2008 at 4:19 pm |
I feel sory for all those uniformed leftys out there , they have no idea what they are loosing or doing to the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA by voting for Oboma!I really hate to see the loss of what we and or fathers and grandfaters have gave there lives for, for the last 3 to 4 hundred years,it is a huge tradgety!Our country my not be perfect,but if Oboma is elected it wont be fit to live in anymore,and theres no where else to run to and build another one.
October 23, 2008 at 4:20 pm |
“You should have heeded the wisdom of your founding fathers who warned you that negroes are only 3/5 of a person – you should never have allowed the colored people the right to vote, let alone run for or hold public office – that is just giving away your liberty.”
I’m glad somebody just came out and said what is clearly bubbling beneath the surface of 80% of these posts: the realization that white, male, christian, hetero, etc. is not the “norm” but now just another
part of the global landscape.
You can’t keep raving and raving and raving without something like that slipping out (even if you only half believe it yourself)
October 23, 2008 at 4:26 pm |
hey Savage IS an act
in case you have not noticed, it was the white Europeans who made America great, not a bunch of black savages !
That is the observation of a non-American. I have always admired the great white people of your country – but that country is now at death’s door.
October 23, 2008 at 4:26 pm |
OBAMA IS A CHRISTIAN?? Obama supports partial birth abortion! DO YOU KNOW What partial birth abortion IS??? THE DOCTOR turns the baby around in the birth canal so that the FEET come out FIRST,, he then grabs THE FEET and pulls the baby out BUT LEAVES THE HEAD in,,, THE DOCTOR (abortionist) then takes a pair of forcepts AND PIERCES the babies SKULL @ the base of the neck and pushes up into the babies brain AND KILLS him or her! Mr. Obama,,, a CHRISTIAN would not approve of such a PROCEEDURE,,, but YOU DID and YOU DO!!!! WHAT ELSE ARE YOU LIEING TO US ABOUT Mr. Obama!!!? YOU ARE NO CHRISTIAN, sir..
October 23, 2008 at 4:28 pm |
There is a lack of common sense in people anymore. We don’t want to have to deal with responsibility of paying our bills ourselves or working. Rather then redistributing the wealth why not just request that large buisnesses give employees special benefits. Example you work so many days without calling out you get an extra vacation day or something. Give the lazy people the incentive they need to work. Get the addictive drugs off the streets ASAP so the drug addicts can become active members in a normal society and work and hold a job for a living. We wouldn’t need to tax the crap out of people if everyone had at least one working parent in a family, If illegals were out of the country so we didn’t have to pay for free health care for them. If jobs paid better so one parent could stay home with their kids in a family omg . Obviously people not married would have to work but it would open jobs up if both parents didn’t have to work. Daycare costs are expensive and guess what the state covers those costs when parents can’t afford them and if you have more than one kid it’s more cost effective to stay at home then work. So why are we paying for families with 6 or more kids to work? Would be better just to pay one working parent better then to pay the daycare costs of 6 or more kids. I’m just being realistic. I don’t hate Obama the person I just dislike Obama the politicians ideas.
Btw Savage racism isn’t the issue. They are just as much a person as you and me. The problem is that people need to think rather then just being blindly lead. They don’t know what wealth distribution is and if they really grasped the concept they would see that the only people going to win in that situation are what they consider poor people. I know there are people out there who start crap though because they think it’s funny so I won’t waste my time on it much.
October 23, 2008 at 4:29 pm |
You all must have never read the Constitution or studied any immigration laws. A person is still a US citizen regardless of where they are born, just so long that one of their parents is a US citizen. Please don’t spew out BS just because you don’t like someone. Wake up! Savage is a fool. Read for yourself at factcheck.org where you can actually see his birth certificate.
October 23, 2008 at 4:32 pm |
Regardless of the possibility that Obama in not a Natural Citizen, I believe that if the other guy had any guts and had said no to the major rip off of a “bail out” he would be the hands down winner!
(700 billion seconds = 22,400 YEARS) How does this match up in $$$$ well $700 billion divided by the entire population of the USA 300 million is just a paltry $2.999 billion per each person estimated by the Census Bureau. Yea that is 2,999,999,999.00 per counted / estimated resident now if you take that to legal citizens who have reached the age of majority (18 years) an estimated 200 million then this number jumps to just a paltry $3,500,000,000.00 per, these numbers are your personal debt for this country now!! just where is this supposed top come from and with ‘Barry” in office he will be taking all chance of creating value away by socializing everything and leaving no source of wealth growth available for our future.
Just have a wonderful time with your Lovely President “Barry”.
October 23, 2008 at 4:33 pm |
hey Chill – you are the one who needs to read YOUR constitution- article II – you are another dumb American – see what you “public” school system has given you !
October 23, 2008 at 4:39 pm |
“obama went to fancy college to be alawyer did he pass the bar exam or did he cheat his way thru college because if he did not take test there is a good chance he knew he could not cut it as lawyer that is why he took the easy route by being apolitcian jimmy hoffa and randi weingarten did the same”
Ron, dude… He graduated Magna Cum Laude from Harvard and he was a constitutional law professor at the Univ. of Chicago.
He’s also a natural born US citizen from Hawaii. Wow, guys. Wow.
Never mind the fact that every second of Obama’s life has been investigated for the last two years by the DNC and RNC, who happens to have the support of the sitting administration with more power, influence and resources than anyone in the world. You also completely ignore the fact that McCain & the RNC won’t touch this story, when they’ve surely investigated it. I guess it’s because a flimsy connection between Ayers & Obama is a much more powerful story than Obama not being a US citizen.
If you read the entire Berg law suit, you’ll find that the “evidence” that Berg says he has all exists on unreliable right wing websites. There’s no actual evidence, just a bunch of hearsay, and not very convincing hearsay at that.
This is not a new story. The rumors of Obama’s citizenship have been around for a year. If there were anything more to this than hearsay, Hillary would have been all over it a year ago, and if not, McCain and the GOP would have been all over it long before now. To believe that Obama is not a US Citizen, you have to believe that the DNC, GOP and our government has done nothing to investigate Obama before allowing him to ascend to the White House. Or you have to believe that they all know about it and are doing nothing to fight it. So you essentially believe in either complete and utter failure of your own candidate, political party, and country, or the great white conspiracy to let a foreign citizen ascend to the White House.
My question to anyone who believes this BS is this: If it is true, then why is your candidate the right choice for the Presidency? They are given the job of vetting their opponent in an interest of revealing everything that could raise question about his or her ability to serve. By letting a non-US citizen ascend to the fortnight of the Presidency, it seems they allowed the biggest scam in US history to come to fruition. What makes you think their incredible lack of competence in investigation qualifies them to protect our country from outside threats?
And now, even if there were truth in this lawsuit, legal experts have indicated that the suit will go nowhere because Berg has no grounds for a complaint. That is the basis of the petition filed by Obama’s lawyers to dismiss the case. He was not damaged by the fraud that he alleges Obama committed, and therefore he has no claim for a lawsuit against him. You can’t just file false claims without evidence and expect our courts to force the accused to submit proof that they did not commit the crime.
This whole rumor is really sad. The fact that Michael Savage, Rush Limbaugh, and some other toxic morons fueling this rumor is absolutely disgusting. We have a bunch of people in this country, thanks to you slimebags, who think that we’re about to elect a foreign, Islamic terrorist into office. THERE WILL LIKELY BE UNREST AND VIOLENCE AFTER THE ELECTION THANKS TO YOU COWARDS.
MICHAEL SAVAGE, RUSH LIMBAUGH, AND EVERYONE ELSE FUELING THIS RUMOR. ARE YOU GOING TO STAND UP IN RIOT GEAR IN THE STREETS OUT IN FRONT OF THE POLICE OFFICERS AND SOLDIERS WHOSE LIVES YOU’RE ENDANGERING BY SPREADING THESE RUMORS, THAT YOU GUYS KNOW DAMN WELL DOESN’T PASS ANY TYPE OF LOGICAL TEST?
Of course not. You guys stand behind your microphones and make money off of this toxic garbage that you spew. But when it comes time to stand up and take responsibility for your actions, you’ll be sitting at home laughing your asses off at the stupidity of your audience while our brave soldiers and police officers risk their lives cleaning up your mess.
And you guys call yourselves Americans? You’re not even human.
October 23, 2008 at 4:40 pm |
Hey Chill,
You should learn to read yourself, the paper posted is not a copy of an original birth certificate, but a “Duplicate Record of Birth” issued by the State of Hawaii, there are no birth records from either hospital that he has claimed as his birth hospital. He may well be a citizen for other purposes, but he may not be eligible for the presidency. I don’t know! But he has not proven that he is. he could release his college data and that should have his nationality listed but he still refuses to do that. This alone gives rise to the suspicions that are only getting worse because of his refusal to provide all of the available records.
October 23, 2008 at 4:45 pm |
The scariest and most dangerous creature of all is the Left-White-Liberal! They have absolutley NO conscience!
October 23, 2008 at 4:45 pm |
There are obviously problems … McCain came clean with all documentation. Why doesn’t Obama? His Harvard and Columbia records are also being kept secret. Most likely, as he traveled under an Indonesia passport at 20 yrs old, he also applied to these universities as a foreigner for financial/admissions reasons. Come clean Obama … or wreck our nation. Actually, those that vote him into office after knowing these things, are the ones who will be to blame.
October 23, 2008 at 4:51 pm |
It’s evident that the courts’ are stalling on these emergency motions. If these cases were against Catholic priests –no problemo. The Judges themselves should be investigated, as they are giving Boybama enough time to go to Hawaii, pay for more (improved) false documents, whack the only surviving witness –his grandma, and tie-up loose ends. Don’t kid yourselves, Boybama is a Chicago thugster…, and a leopard never changes its spots! Boybama’s grandmother won’t make it past Nov. 4 and the media will not question why, –except poor, poor Boybama, his granny died, give “that One” more room and space to grieve…
October 23, 2008 at 4:53 pm |
Hey Keith – check your math. 700 billion divided by 300 million is just over $2,300.00 to each person.
There is some crazy stuff on here! Obamas birth certificate is legimtimate, go to factcheck.org and see the original (including the raised seal and document #) for yourself. As far as Obama’s policies, we should all be real scared of this move towards socialism and radicalism that he represents in our country.
October 23, 2008 at 4:54 pm |
Fuck Obama.
October 23, 2008 at 4:57 pm |
Obama could show a video of his mother shooting him out in the delivery room, with Don Ho playing the Ukulele and the doctor yelling Aloha, and you guys would still find some other rumor to discredit him with. There’s 5 rumors alone in the Berg lawsuit, many that he couldn’t possibly provide documents to disprove because there’s no basis in them to begin with!!!!
It’s a futile effort. For those of you who are at least moderately balanced, I really hope you realize that many of the people who believe this rumor are far from sane. You’re inciting fear and hatred in a very dangerous segment of the population, and people are going to get hurt, possibly lose their lives because of this garbage. And if you continue to spread this shit in spite of understanding this, you’re scum.
October 23, 2008 at 4:58 pm |
do any of you ‘real americans’ want to step up and disavow this insane naked racism? or just don’t care?
or don’t care enough to say anything? Ok whatever.
Thanks Kal. I’m afraid that so many words may be just noise to the EXCLAMATION MARK crowd.
This BS is not about rational thinking. They aren’t processing this. They make up boogeyman
scenarios about Obama bringing in nationalized healthcare and doubling welfare rolls (perhaps because they don’t understand or want to understand the complexities of the free markets that we all live in?)
And then have arguments with themselves as to why those boogeyman scenarios are bad.
This isn’t even politics anymore, it’s hysteria. It’s the reptile fight or flight part of the brain overriding millions of years of evolution.
They see that “their” America is changing into a different place. They honestly believe that America
was more or less white and safe for 190 years and then the liberals starting ruining things in the 60’s. They really do.
They want to go back to a USA that exists nowhere except as the tonic for their nightmares.
I’ve been trying to engage them for a few days and they won’t take. They are happy to announce that Obama is a sleeper muslim robot terrorist bent on transferring the deed to Iran, but refuse to speculate on the logistics of such a conspiracy.
Case in point:
“Most likely, (1) as he traveled under an Indonesia passport at 20 yrs old, he also applied to these universities as a foreigner for financial/admissions reasons. Come clean Obama … or wreck our nation. Actually, (2) those that vote him into office after knowing these things, (3) are the ones who will be to blame”
1. make up nightmare scenario
2. quickly rename rank speculation as fact
3. accuse those who ignore such “facts” of being dupes
This is classic reactionary thought process, going back the Birchers and then to the Protocols of Zion enthusiasts, etc.
October 23, 2008 at 5:05 pm |
I’m really disturbed with Obama’s being not honest to American people. I like him as a per son but for the President of this country, I simply don’t trust him. We never had “fight the smears” website in our US election history because all candidates came out as who they were and what they were (good or bad) but not controversial like Obama. I trust that even his own people really don’t know who and what is really is.
October 23, 2008 at 5:05 pm |
Would someone check if the non-copy paper used for the Hawaii birth certificate in question was even available in the 1980s
October 23, 2008 at 5:06 pm |
Reading though all these comments. I am now convinced that you Savaged people have lost their minds. The pied piper of your insanity hopefully will be committed in some interment camp he devises for himself. When Senator Obama wins you will all need a strong dose of laudanum.
October 23, 2008 at 5:09 pm |
How Far Will Obama’s Kansas Roots Get Him?
Posted by JOHN DONVAN on Monday, October 20, 2008 at 2:55:00 PM EDT
(http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/5050/story?id=6073058&page=1)
El Dorado attorney and Republican Steven Funk predicts at least a 55 to 45 victory margin for McCain in the area. After suggesting that Obama had “exploited” his family ties here, he accused Obama of later calling “his white grandmother a racist.” Funk is referring to a speech on race Obama delivered not long after his El Dorado visit, in which he acknowledged that his grandmother had used racial slurs.
Says Funk: Obama “pretty much threw her under the bus and I think that was regrettable statement on his part, [and] probably did not reflect her views or the views of people who live here either today or 40 or 50 years ago when she lived here.”
October 23, 2008 at 5:09 pm |
“Would someone check if the non-copy paper used for the Hawaii birth certificate in question was even available in the 1980s”
It’s a certified copy issued by the State of Hawaii in June 2007. It has been certified as authentic by the State of Hawaii.
October 23, 2008 at 5:10 pm |
I’m an African American, you might just say a black man. I know 98% of black will vote for Obama because he’s black. Remember, he’s not US African American like us, he’s Kenya (African) American. See the difference? My family have been here for more than 200 years, they were slaves, some fought in the civil war, they became free, and after that they suffered segregation and discrimination till 1960s. My grandparents and my parents and relatives marched along with Dr. King. My parents were not allowed to share the same bus or restaurants or rest rooms with White. Look at Obama, his father was from Kenya, didn’t suffer the prejudice like we, the African American in the US had to suffer. He went to good colleges where we African American in the US wouldn’t even dreamed of going that time.
Now, Obama is getting all support from black people because he is black. His people are using his skin color to get black peoples’ vote. And he uses his pictures with his White mother and white grandparents to get White peoples’ vote. He’s nothing but an opportunist who is playing his race so well in this game.
Who really is this Obama guy? Is he really one of us? Can we really trust him?
October 23, 2008 at 5:13 pm |
Yo, Savage is an Act
Condemning free speech is for Socialist/Marxist weenies like you and Obama.
October 23, 2008 at 5:13 pm |
Yep, Savage IS an act, absolute insanity. The scary thought is the extent to which this rumor has spread. I have a 40 yo friend who is a Chief in the Navy who believes every bit of it, as well as a 60 yo retired Navy Master Chief. I haven’t asked any of my other conservative friends… because I just don’t want to know that I associate with any more people who are this insane.
October 23, 2008 at 5:19 pm |
Savage has a legal right to go on the air and make an ass of himself. That’s fine with me.
Question: I”m not a Marxist, but am curious if you know what Marxism even is?
Mode of Production, means of production, dialectical materialism, all that sort of thing?
The problem with Savage is not just that he is a racist goon, but that his ‘version’ of political
discourse is that the simplest, basest, most animalian reaction to complex situations is the most
honest and righteous way.
It’s the valorization of the Politics of Stupid that worries me.
October 23, 2008 at 5:19 pm |
Show me a Democrat and I will show you a Liberal, show me a Liberal and I will show you a Socialist, show me a Socialist and I will show you a Communist, show me a Communist and I will show you a Democrat. People, we are at war with our way of life, and our biggest enemy is here. Regan Conservatives stand and say NO! We will not go quietly into the night! We will stand and fight! With our vote at first, and if needed with arms!!!! GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!
October 23, 2008 at 5:20 pm |
Publius, no one is condemning free speech. We’re condemning idiotic thought. If you want to continue spreading this tripe, you’re free to do so. But if you continue to do it knowing the danger of what you’re doing, then you’re just a propaganda spewing, asshole with absolutely no concern for the health of your country.
October 23, 2008 at 5:21 pm |
Kal–
It’s amazing really. there is a significant percentage of our population that honestly believes we are about to elect a sleeper muslim communist robot to be President. They honestly believe or suspect that
they are witnessing a coup d’etat. That can’t be good down the line.
October 23, 2008 at 5:23 pm |
SAVAGE ROCKS!
YOU PEOPLE NEED TO GO WATCH SOME RONALD REAGAN VIDEOS ON YOUTUBE AND LEARN WHAT THIS COUNTRY REALLY NEEDS RIGHT NOW.
October 23, 2008 at 5:25 pm |
I grew up a few doors down from Mikey Weiner (Savage),. He was always a mealy-mouthed little snitch that got chased home to his drunk old man.
He grew up to enjoy numerous trysts with the likes of allen ginsberg and timothy leary.
Not that any of you simpletons would know who these dudes are.
What can you say for a poor jew that is ashamed of his last name?
October 23, 2008 at 5:26 pm |
Mike, you have no idea what you’re talking about. Go get a book on Political Science. The majority of the US is tired of the dangerous propaganda machine that is the GOP. Because of their dangerous disregard for this country, they are now being thrown from office like the plague they are – from the House, from the Senate and from the Presidency. And you’re willing to stand up in a minority to try and impose your beliefs on a majority who don’t want to live by them?
That’s Fascism.
Go read a book. Educate yourself.
October 23, 2008 at 5:27 pm |
“SAVAGE ROCKS!”
“We will stand and fight! With our vote at first, and if needed with arms!!!! GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!”
“show me a Communist and I will show you a Democrat”
Cases in point. These people are f**king FREAKED out at what is going on.
October 23, 2008 at 5:31 pm |
Kal, Spelldorker and all your other filth spewing liberal reprobates:
You always have to resort to foul language and personal attacks to vent your anger. Why is that?? Savage and most normal Americans have your number. You all seem to think that you’re more educated and smarter than the rest of us. You’re a joke. You wouldn’t talk like that to people you disagree with on the street because they would put their fists down your liberal throats.
“Liberalism is a Mental Disorder” Michael Savage
October 23, 2008 at 5:32 pm |
Savage,
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/ACLU_demands_info_on_domestic_military_1021.html
I was really worried when I read that story above. Not so much now. It may be a good thing. I’m out. Can’t deal with anymore psycho conspiracy thought right now.
October 23, 2008 at 5:36 pm |
Kal, I rest my case. What ells would you say? When I raised my hand and took the oath to protect this country from our enemy foreign or domestic, you would be at the front of the line. And as for the rest of you and your liberal media friends that think you are the majority, I feel sorry for you. The only good dem. Is a dead dem. And that would include you Kal!!!
October 23, 2008 at 5:36 pm |
Kal is pretty much a Red Diaper Doper Baby and a branded liberal with Marxist beliefs. No wonder he hates his navy friends, if do not like America just freaking leave. GOP was kicked last elections because of ACORN. Most of GOP these days democrats anyway.
Liberalism is a mental disorder.
October 23, 2008 at 5:37 pm |
Publius, I’m a 6′3″ 250 lb former college football player. I can hold my own. I’ve had this discussion with the likes of you guys on the streets. And if someone wanted to get violent with me, so be it. It wouldn’t be the first time. You seem to think that your political views equate to strength. You really are foolish.
October 23, 2008 at 5:38 pm |
No wonder Obama’s motto is ” Change”. He can use his power to make him a US Passport, a citizenship. He can honor those illegal to become citizen through his way. We will have three millions new citizenships and split the wealth with us. Universal medical is perfectly apply to those who already here and carry the disease to transfer to one another. His wife has been lived in fear, afraid people will find out Obama is not America born. Thus, this is the first time she is proud to be American. American so fool to let her husband run for the president. All they need is two more week thus all of the DNC, congress, senate keep their lip snipped. When he get elected, they can do whatever they wants. Please, we need to explose this so that he cannot run. I am surprise why RNC do not check at this? No media ever talk about this except Savage.
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October 23, 2008 at 5:40 pm |
Publius, you are embarrassing yourself, please. Personal attacks?
“You wouldn’t talk like that to people you disagree with on the street because they would put their fists down your liberal throats”
This is exactly the sort of thing that defines the Politics of Stupid. You can’t HIT the world into submission. I appreciate that you think the world is crumbling in around you but I promise you
it’s an illusion amplified by freakshows like Savage.
I’m out too, back to Planet Earth with me.
October 23, 2008 at 5:43 pm |
Truth be told we need to get rid of Parties and give them all equal media time. This whole Dem V. Rep is driving me nuts. I think it’s safe to say our last Great Pres was Ronald Regan. Our countries economic decline started during Clinton’s presidency and Bush did nothing until now to try to fix it when he’s got the pressure of other countries on him about how they are falling because of it. But do I dare stop there? No I blame Senate for not being able to work together to notice it and fix it as well before it got this far. It’s easy for every politician to blame the other because they think people are stupid and as a book I read once said Wizard’s First Rule People are stupid and are apt to believe what you tell them.
My problem is that some people are voting Obama yes because he’s part ethnic in blood. Others are voting him because they are fanatics. My mom’s white friend told me Obama is the light. I’m sorry No politician is the light by themselves or the evil dark one by themselves and we the people empower them to be what ever they turn out to be. As well as the senate. How? Example instead of watching for the truth we assume we are always being told the truth or we deny what is the truth to total fanaticism. We need to be one as a country I think before we will ever succeed as a country. In my eyes there are no such thing as Latin-Americans or African-Americans or any other racial American. We are all AMERICANS. I suppose until the rest of the country sees that we are stuck.
It’s better to weigh your choices now because you will never be able to go back. Make sure you are making the choice for the right reasons. Race should never be a reason and neither should a free ride as the #1 rule in dealing with economy issues is nothing is free. It comes at a price whether it’s freedom of living the way you want or something else. Stop fighting to lol it solves nothing. Just agree to disagree. Debate but make sure you know when to call it. You may never get people to see your point of view or to agree with your opinion but you can be civil about it.
October 23, 2008 at 5:45 pm |
It doesn’t make a damn difference what shit is found on Obama. The liberal left mainstream media wants him elected and that’s the end all. It doesn’t matter if he’s a citizen or associates with terrorists or white-hating preachers like Wright or Farrakhan…the election is “in the bag” and nothing short of a miracle will change that. I find it amazing that this county can take this jerk serious. That’s what happens when the likes of Hollywood and Oprah are taken serious. Anyone who votes for Obama is nothing more than a lemming! If this were a movie, people would walk out because of it’s unbelievability! What is it gonna take for white america to wake up, because it’s the white vote that’s gonna get this asshole elected.. the black vote means nothing percentage wise..
October 23, 2008 at 5:45 pm |
both of my parents and thier parents were born in the US. I was born in B.C. because the hostpital was closer. My family and assumed I was a citizen until I had to get sworn in at 18.
October 23, 2008 at 5:45 pm |
if you are born to an american citizen, no matter when and where….you are an american citizen…period. some of you are so far to the RIGHT you are LEFT
October 23, 2008 at 5:47 pm |
To the few liberal morons who posted on this board, all I got to say to you schmucks is that your nothing but a bunch of “useful idiots” and do you liberals know who said that little quote, why it’s none other than one your butt-plug commie heroes “Vladimir Lenin”. First of all it’s a “DEMOCRAT” from Pennsylvania who bought this up, he claimed that Barrack Hussein Obama is not an American born citizen and he’s sending it to the courts in PA, but the fascist in the DNC wants it to get thrown out. And if Obama loses (I hope he does lose) you leftist scumbags are gonna start to squeal at the top of your lungs by saying the the people who voted against him are “raaaacccciissstttt”, and to me and everybody in this country we are so goddamn sick and tired of you Liberals (mainly White-Liberals) playing the race-card.
And I totally agree with you Publius on that statement you made bro, some of these friggin Liberals think that there so damn smart, but whenever us Conservatives proves thier stupid-liberal ass wrong, they have the nerve to call us every word under the sun.
Liberalism is a Mental Disorder!!!!
October 23, 2008 at 5:47 pm |
Well here is the gang.Well folks its like this don’t worry your hearts too much.If Obama gets elected do you really think he will live past the first three months without every nut case trying to assinate him. Remember folks Biden will become president and he is a do nothing kind of guy.He sits in the background and waits for his turn to take the big chair. I don’t think he cares much for Obama since he’s made it clear before he jumped on the band wagon he thinks Obama is’nt ready to lead.In four years the republican party will put up a candidate to easily over throw him since the country will be in shambles and the republican party will be in power for decades to come.They will be looked at as the heros come to save us.It may be too late by then even as it most likely will be a much different country.Crime will be on the rise, Anarchy will rule the streets and corruption will fill the dying halls of the US government. I would look to investing in China for your future since they will take over the world economy when the USA sells out to them.Well so long red White and Blue you fought the good fight.But now its time to take a back seat.
October 23, 2008 at 5:50 pm |
Spell checker, wow at least you used http://www.dictionary.com while you posted to show your online intellectualism. Unfortunately if you believe everything you see on the www you are very naive. Many professionals can easily make a fake and scan it, or simply photoshop one together. If I was a twisted and brain washed Barraker and he threw me a some Benjamins I could whip one together in a couple hours just as credible and put it on a fancy website for everyone. Big deal.
The majority of people here are spewing political ignorance based on their bias, not surprising as that is all you hear and see. Which candidate is the worse candidate, vote for the less worse. Who has the most money to spend on the most airtime and junk mail you throw away. The facts are there if anyone gives a rip, you just have to be less arrogant and seek and know the truths.
Oh and why not a plug, you can go to votesmart.org and view everyones records and information as well as all of the vast amounts of absent and missed votes on key issues by Mr. Nobama.
October 23, 2008 at 6:04 pm |
Left wing, Right wing, you are all crazy. No level headed human being can be conservative on all issues and vice versa… im not crazy about McCain or Obama, but to call him a muslim as if that is a reason not to vote for him insane…im in the army and some of my best soldiers where of the muslim faith, and many muslims have died defending the same u.s. flag as christians..you all need to get a grip, and realize that America is changing, and that might not be a bad thing. we as a nation have to adapt or we will be behind the power curve
October 23, 2008 at 6:10 pm |
What do we do 2 weeks after the election when we receive undeniable facts that state nO’Bama is NOT a natural citizen of the United States of America? Do we have to impeach him – a long process that would allow him to stay in office not only until impeached but ousted from the office of president. Not to mention whether or not Pelosi would allow impeachment to reach the/her agenda? All the while, he would allow us to become virtually impotent against the evil forces of terrorism and radical islam; or from any of the “folks” (he loves to use that term of indearment) of the world who would revel in our national demise.
This country was originally populated (not including native Americans) by individuals who were seeking freedom to worship God as they deemed proper. I do not condemn any religion – I believe in freedom for all to express their rights under our guarantee of freedom for religion. However, for many years now, opponents of the constitution have perverted this freedom by adding rules and regulations regarding how and when and where we can exercise our faith. I am tired of expanding loopholes that allow their success.
As for nO’Bama’s trip to Hawaii, he is trying to buy the Presidency, he can afford it – but, can he buy a Birth Certificate? Hopefully the Department of Records in Hawaii cannot be bought as easily as our polls indicate. Do you think Barry will be able to keep all these people on the payroll after election day, when all he has to draw from is our hard earned money that we pay in taxes? When I pay my taxes, I do so to ensure life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness under the safety and security provided by my govenment.
Can we trust nO’Bama to honor our rights by upholding the Constitution as he must swear to do at Inauguration? I do not believe that we can.
How deeply will your faith in the promises of Barack Hussein O’Bama sustain you when you hear that your child’s school has been overcome by terrorists…Oh, yeah, this is America, not Russia. That can’t happen here, can it?
And finally, Kim Says, “those that vote him into office are the ones who will” exclaim, “I really thought he was The One,” and then claim they were betrayed.
October 23, 2008 at 6:20 pm |
I have said before that the only birth certificate released thus far was a certified copy of the original. The actual original has not be seen to date. If the information on the original has been amended, it should show such changes attached to it or have the changes properly documented on its surface.
Upon request, anyone within the records office can created a certified copy of the original using information on file, or using information they or someone prefers to be shown.
It will be difficult to show that a person has been born outside the state if there is a birth certificate on file within the state. Although just because a certificate has been placed within the records on file does not prove a person was physically born there, it only shows that a certificate was filed there for whatever purpose desired.
According to information to date, details of Obama’s life facts and activities have been documented systematically and put into the records, including his book, to set the stage for his presidential run. The plan of action as such most likely began in the home of William Ayers where they along with other interested people have to date worked to orchestrate its success.
October 23, 2008 at 6:21 pm |
Hey You People Are Idiots, you’re the f-ing idiot! True, his mom was a US citizen when she had the little communist, but she had 3 months to get to a US embassy and file an affidavit for an American citizen born abroad. If she didn’t do that, then he’s a citizen of the country he was born in by default.
October 23, 2008 at 6:28 pm |
“CHANGE WE NEED”… WHO NEEDS??… THEY NEED, AND WE ALL KNOW WHO THEY ARE….LIBERALS. OBAMA IS THE BIGGEST LIBERAL OF THEM ALL, SO DON’T THINK HE WILL BE ON YOUR SIDE BECAUSE HE WON’T. HE’S ON THE SIDE OF THE SPECIAL INTEREST AND IT DOSEN’T TAKE A ROCKET SCIENTIST TO REALIZE THAT. THEY CAN TAKE AWAY OUR RIGHTS AS AMERICANS ONE BY ONE WITH NO ONE TO STOP THEM BEFORE ITS TOO LATE. AND BELIEVE ME THEY WILL BECAUSE THAT’S WHAT THEY ARE ABOUT. THEY BEEN TRYING TO DO THIS FOR SOMETIME NOW.
REMEMBER AMERICA WHEN THE MAJORITY RULES THEY CAN IMPLEMENT WHATEVER THEY WANT TO WITH A SWIPE OF A PEN.
WHEN THEY TAKE AWAY OUR RIGHTS THEY TAKE AWAY OUR CHILDRENS RIGHTS AND ARE CHILDREN ARE THE FUTURE OF THIS GREAT LAND WE CALL THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!
BLACK OR WHITE, DON’T BE A LIBERAL, BE AN AMERICAN!!!!
October 23, 2008 at 6:37 pm |
I don’t know of any one that don’t have or can’t get a LEGAL Birth cert. within days! That is unless they don’t have a Legal one,or don’t want anyone to see it! It isn’t all that hard people!
October 23, 2008 at 6:41 pm |
Hey dee bee:
I know many, including myself, who are conservative 100% of the time because we know exactly what our values are. Perhaps if you find this concept difficult, I suggest you find out what you really believe, then live by it. This exercise will not only ground you, but also will furnish you with undeniable tennets that will inform your decisions throughout your life.
The words change and growth have similar connotations, however, there are distinct differences. I welcome growth; as I view it when we’re not growing, we’re dying. As for change, change for its own sake is folly. And we should not confuse the merits of the two words.
I admire your service to our country and thank you for it. And I appreciate the service of all who commit to serve our country, including Muslims. If only Muslims, who do not practice the radical islamo-fascist view of the Khoran, would let us know who they are by denouncing islamo-fascist regimes, I would love to support them and their right to express there religion. Unfortunately, possibly due to their own fears of reprisal, moderate Muslims are not willing to be politically correct.
October 23, 2008 at 6:42 pm |
kal Says:
October 23, 2008 at 5:37 pm
Publius, I’m a 6′3″ 250 lb former college football player. I can hold my own.
LMAO !!!! – I assume you are also one of Obama’s thugs – the type who will smash down doors to collect taxes
What a rotton country the USA has become – and it’s (mainly) due to your allowing the negroes the right to vote – ever since then, it has been down hill.
Good luck to you all in the “land of the free and the home of the brave”
October 23, 2008 at 6:44 pm |
Hi Suzananne,
here are some moderate Muslims you can support
http://www.futureislam.com/
I agree. Moderate muslims are fighting for the soul of their faith right now. they deserve our strong support.
October 23, 2008 at 6:51 pm |
To the person who calls them self “You People Are Idiots Says: “. ..I am not claiming that Obama is muslim but you say we need to read the constitution. Um….I think you should too. 3 conditions to be president. 1) be 35 years old..2) Have lived in USA for 14 years. and 3) BE A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. Not just a citizen. People born on US Military bases abroad have been given this status. So McCain has satisfied all 3 conditions. Citizen or not, Obama should prove he was born here in Hawaii. Not just claim it and put up a scanned copy of a birth certificate.
October 23, 2008 at 6:52 pm |
Obama’s mother gave birth to him in Indonesia, and although she was a US Citizen the “birthright” clause in the Constitution applies to only those born on US soil. Obama’s mother was prevented from boarding the flight due to her late term pregnancy and upon arrival to Hawaii, she promptly registered him there. My guess is that this will not stop the election (timimg-why visit “Grandma 12 days before the election, maybe “fix” the birth certificate issu?), however when the investigation does reveal (possibly) the above fact, Obama will have to step down from office, giving Joe Biden (God help us then) his boy hood dream (and Pelosi as VP!).
October 23, 2008 at 6:52 pm |
No such thing as a moderate islam, get real. If you are a Christian in the old country and you try to practice your faith you are in for some bad times. Were are the moderates when this happens. The west is at war with those who follow islamic teachings and we had better get our heads around this soon or we will be done with.
October 23, 2008 at 6:59 pm |
We have sown to the wind and will reap the whirlwind. The whirlwinds name is Obama and we have earned it !!! Sucked in and soon to be gone is this last best hope for mankind down the drain and soon tobe only history. 400 years of effort gone !!! Oh, Oh, Oh shame, shame Obama you’r an abomination of lies, deceit, subtrifuge and coverup.
October 23, 2008 at 7:04 pm |
Every 8 years it is the same crap. Everyone goes for the party out of power because they want change. What did it get you in 2000? Lies, arrogance, greed, and a wrecked economy. 1992? Scandal, lies, corruption. 1980? Trillion dollar debt and more lies. 1976? Oil lines, high unemployment, high interest rates, a stagnant economy. 1968? Watergate. Eight years from now everyone will be going for the Republican candidate of ‘change’. Americans are stupid and deserve what they get when they keep buying the lies.
October 23, 2008 at 7:06 pm |
For all you libs get on board and become a Rush baby. Listen to Laura, watch Sean. Read a little, you can learn so much when you turn off CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC and NBC. Go and read a little book called “1984″. I remember it was required reading when I was in school. We have lost our way and if we don’t fined our way we will be praying to Meca. Big Brother (Bro) is coming (first he needs to stop off in Hawaii) and he wants all your proffit, so he can continue his master plan. “WAKE UP AMERICA”.
October 23, 2008 at 7:29 pm |
suzanne…you say “america is dying” why? because we are unwilling to change or “grow”… call it what you like. Its funny that the republicans have held the majority in the congress for 6 of the last eight years, but every conservative blames obama for the mess our nation is in…cmon ya’ll, be real..
its funny that some of you feel the need to talk down about blacks….”savage” its cool though
October 23, 2008 at 7:36 pm |
Obama’s creating his own credibility problems.
If there was nothing to hide, I’d show it. Kind of smells like the Rose Law Firm records to me. If there was nothing to hide, WHY did it take so long to find them, and then, lots of stuff missing?
And now, someone is headed to HI (a yellow-dog Democrat state if there ever was one), to possibly get a “copy” of it.
NEWS FLASH: Birth certificates can be amended! Like one of my own children’s whose birth date and location were incorrectly listed. All it took was a notarized statement, which that agency does NOT keep a copy of.
I have my own birth certificate, no big thing. I had to present it to pass a security clearance. Amazingly, the man who wants to lead the free world would not clear the same background investigation required of his own bodyguards!
October 23, 2008 at 7:43 pm |
If this is an authentic issue, why didn’t Killary or the rest of the demoncat rabble eviscerate BO in the primaries??
I don’t think this is going anywhere, so we should focus on his poor judgment on picking his friends and mentors, and the incredibly STOOPID idea he has for fixing our economy.
October 23, 2008 at 7:44 pm |
The very thing which would put this debate to rest, whether or not Obama was actually born in the US, was to provide the requested document. Instead he lets the Washington Post try and verify his birth. He posts a birth certificate on his site that has no certificate number on it. It’s in the color black for some reason.
I believe John McCain turned over his birth certificate to be verified.
October 23, 2008 at 8:32 pm |
It’s going to be swept under the lumpy carpet.
There is no truth… only half lies and spin to boot.
I’ll be on the sidelines, wishing I had a better alternative.
October 23, 2008 at 8:44 pm |
yeah watch all his voters will be ages 18-26
October 23, 2008 at 8:44 pm |
lol
October 23, 2008 at 8:46 pm |
Chrissy
you mean all his voters will be LIKE ages 18-26
October 23, 2008 at 8:56 pm |
I think this forum is a little tied up in racial knots. It’s not about race because it doesn’t matter the color of your skin. You can still be intelligent no matter. It’s a choice of life style either choose to be smart and pay attention and pick the values as a person you like and vote with that person or be dumb and just vote because someone is white or black. I think a lot of the homeless,drug addicts, and lazy people looking for a ride will vote Obama. Is that to say all people voting Obama are the slugs of our society no. I just think some how after people voting for yrs and yrs before us that we’d be used to the process no matter skin color. The point of voting is to vote for someone you feel would be the best leader of the country.
I still don’t think though that Obama will Hit the Rich for redistributing the wealth. I think the rich will be left alone and the middle class people making over 250.00 to maybe 600 or 700,000 Will be nailed with it because most of the politicians prob make more then that. Besides if he hit the rich his pocket would be affected by it as well and heaven forbid that happens.
October 23, 2008 at 9:00 pm |
You People are idiots:
Maybe you should read the Constitution. Obamas mother must have lived in the United Sates for 10 years 5 of them after the age of 14. She was 18 when She gave birth to Obama so Obama would not get citizenship from her. Typical liberal who has no clue what the Constitution says.
October 23, 2008 at 9:00 pm |
It’s all a ploy to hit the Middle class workers and small business owners. The rich will be rich and the poor will be poor and there won’t be a middle class anymore.
October 23, 2008 at 9:04 pm |
i think everyone here is too emotional and personal on this election issue. the crisis that the world is facing is not going to be solved in just one term of either persident and if you look at either one of their energy plans they are pretty much similar on the long term goal with major variations on short term plans. homeland security issue i think both are patriotic. the thing we have to get off our minds are Conservative = patriotic or liberal not = patriotic.. me myself i think im more conservative then liberal but thats not the issue. we need to get our thinking straight.. we are making
Hypothetical judgements on what mcain or obama are going to do if elected based on the information we recieve from blogs, bias opinions and channels.
1- OBAMA NON BIRTH CITIZEN– if this was true it would have been proven by now.
2- OBAMA MUSLIM– even if he is there is nothing in constitution that denys him on basis of that.. and we are not in a crusade.
these issues are tearing us apart. i prefer Mcain over Obama but we should not make this a life or death senario.
October 23, 2008 at 9:08 pm |
I had an Obama campaign supporter call me like 15 min ago and I said this …… I’m not voting Obama, I don’t wish to speak to you further about Obama ty but goodbye. Lol might seem harsh but I didn’t want to waste his time or mine.
October 23, 2008 at 9:18 pm |
Not thinking one term could change thingS????? Ask the Cubans. Castro said the same thing “CHANGE”!!!!!! lOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM!
October 23, 2008 at 9:21 pm |
Food, Water, and Ammo! It’s the least you can do right now to prepare. I hear Canada is nice this time of year.
October 23, 2008 at 9:23 pm |
This is all about charater. Look at Mcain – he was torured for 5 yrs, given the chance to be sent home and he refused!!!!! Obama – sat in a church for 20 yrs listening to the gutter trash that came out of Rev Wrights mouth and never once spoke out against it until he thought it was going to cause him political harm. Now you tell me who really has character and would do what is right for this country instead of what is right for himself!!!!!!!
October 23, 2008 at 9:26 pm |
Or maybe thats what you really wanted!!!!!!!
October 23, 2008 at 9:46 pm |
Is it true that Barack Hussein Obama, Jr actually has four different names and two different “legal” US passports? On one talk radio show it was also discussed that Obama’s trip to visit his ailing white Granny may have more to do with his retrieving relevant & incriminating papers from her house.. and, she may be one of the few people left who knows the truth about Barry’s birthplace… if you get their drift.. I hope and pray that Comrade Barry and his accompaning Radicals will not be allowed to destroy our country, and the future of our children, etc.. It all looks very ominus right now.
October 23, 2008 at 9:49 pm |
The whole Obama election reminds me of Omen III. It just scares the crap outta me!
October 23, 2008 at 9:51 pm |
some good posts. Obama was born a Muslim because his dad was a Muslim. It will be interesting if the truth of his citizenship comes out
October 23, 2008 at 10:16 pm |
Obama is the scariest Presidential Man to run. Everything about him is eery and fake. I ask myself everyday how could this man get this far? Americans need to wake up!!!!!
October 23, 2008 at 10:20 pm |
“the fact that his mother was a US citizen makes him a US citizen. (Read the Constitution)”
Negative, I am an immigration officer and his status would be dependent on a number of factors since only his mother was a USC at time of birth. Facts including exactly where he was born and in what year. The immigration laws varied greatly throughout the late 20th century. There are detailed charts that we use in order to determine citizenship eligibility in these relatively rare cases.
If he does indeed have a doctored fradulent Hawaii birth certificate it would be one hell of an October Surprise!
October 23, 2008 at 10:22 pm |
Disgusted? Take off the rose colored glasses. As someone who witnessed the personel level of greed that many sunk themselves into. The blame does not lie with one man neither Congress or the President although both did participate. it lies with all those who participated in this economic and political mess. I can give you an example of greed from top to bottom
I found an intresting thing when I was looking for a different house (buyers market) thinking this was a good time to invest i starting researching Forclosures As i went through the process ,there is paper trail that is attached to a forclosed property. I found some intresting things. Homes sold in the 700-900k range to people making 50k a year or less . Do the math there is no way that person should have been put in the house keep in mind it was 100% financed so when they walked away they lost nothing!! And you are Anyone who has purchased a house (legitamately) knows there are min of three people who are going to look at this thing Realator ,Loan agent, Legal for the documents I believe it requires a lawyer mine was.
Either they participated in this willingly or were being forced to comply from the government. Congress and even George Bush had a push for more minority owenership you can find this all in there own words. There are many stories like this so the questions that I have are
1. With this minority ownership push that drove up home prices and causing many to loose there house due to forclosure with a massive debt trail help minorities How?
2. Why do you think congress was quick to dump Billions into this mess hoping it would go away? could it be they are covering there participation?
3. The people who purchased those houses couldn’t understand that they were not going to make the payments HOW?
I personally heard one man at the height of this thing say while waiting for his house to be finished Yes it was under construction)That the value was already up in the house because he locked in already and he was all ready trying to get a home equity loan!
Unwise decisions made on all levels.
Some of the observations that I have made and witmess first hand There are some that had good intentions E.G. helping minorities with more ownership others that saw the opening in the system to cash in.
Conclusion It did not help anyone but a few very wealthy. Proves that although your intentions may be good the road to hell is paved with them.
Liberal and conservative politics do not mix. You want to know what went wrong with the Bush administration? Every time he reached across the Isle
Who’s to blame Both who’s next. Well as I see it McCain (who has in the past reached across the Isle all to often. Obama a man who does not reach across he is already there. Either way we are screwed.
October 23, 2008 at 10:42 pm |
It all makes perfect sense. If BO is not a Muslim then he is in bed with them. If you will watch the movie “Obsession; radical Islam’s war against the west” and then put that with Hal Turner’s (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1954933468700958565&hl=es) assertion that our monetary system is being railroaded to a collapse it all becomes very clear that our society as we know it is about to take a very nasty turn. America had better wake up. It may already be too late to do anything but prepare yourself for the worst.
October 23, 2008 at 10:43 pm |
Ooooh nooooo….
The Sky is Falling!!!
The Sky is Falling!!!
October 23, 2008 at 10:43 pm |
This countries tax paying law abiding citizens are worn down.The deceit,fabrications,lies you name it.MORAL/ETHICS up Washington,adhere to the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, please,It,s a beautiful document.
October 23, 2008 at 10:49 pm |
TAKE A LOOK AT THIS!!!!!
WHY DON’T THE PEOPLE THAT VOTE FOR O-BUMMER AND HIS ECONOMY PLAN SPREAD THE WEALTH TO PEOPLE THAT DON’T PAY TAXES AND WANT ANOTHER HAND OUT.
WHILE THE PEOPLE THAT VOTE FOR MCCAIN PAY THE TAXES THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE…… SEE HOW LONG THE PEOPLE THAT VOTE FOR OBUMMER WANT TO STAY ON HIS BOAT!!!!!!?????
WHAT DO YOU THINK???
October 23, 2008 at 10:55 pm |
Obama’s grandmother was recorded saying her Kenyan grandson born Aug. 4, 1961 is not an American citizen…named Barry Hussain Obama….
Tomorrow he is going to visit without his family, how touching…12 days left in the election and he will clearout her home to alter the Birth Certificate…
Criteria to become President.
1. 35 or older
2. lived 14 years in USA
3. Born in USA….Obama was born in KENYA
4. Attorney General of PA…Phillip Berg is on the SAVAGE Nation has filed a lawsuit
since Aug…WANTING TO SEE HIS BIRTHCERTIFICATE..
5. HIS PATERNAL GRANDMOTHER IS ALIVE IN KENYA
6. HAS HALF BROTHER AND SISTER WHO LIVES IN KENYA
7. HE IS PLAYING THE RACE CARD…..
8. HE IS AN ILLEGAL AND CANNOT BE PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!
October 23, 2008 at 10:58 pm |
I love all the drama this website creates. I don’t care if it’s true or not. If it wasn’t for Jerry Springer, Maury and Michael my friends and I would lead very boring lives. I know that most of the comments here are just plain bull, but I love the fact that here in America we have the freedom to lie, cheat, steal and embrace all the crazyness we please to.
October 23, 2008 at 11:03 pm |
My son was born in Holland and has dual citizenship. I’m told he is a US Citizen. Let me know if I’m wrong. If he’s not I’ll cross my legs and be sure the next child is born on American soil. Thanks for the information.
October 23, 2008 at 11:37 pm |
Anyone who believe that Obama is not a US citizen is as dumb as a rock.
October 23, 2008 at 11:39 pm |
Article. II. – The Executive Branch
Section 1 – The President
“… … No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States. … …”
October 23, 2008 at 11:40 pm |
Natural-born citizen
Who is a natural-born citizen? Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday?
The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps.
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”
•Anyone born inside the United States
•Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person’s status as a citizen of the tribe
•Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
•Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
•Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
•A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html
October 23, 2008 at 11:42 pm |
“FOOD FOR THOUGHT”
“COUNTRY FIRST”….. MEANS WE THE PEOPLE COME FIRST…..
“CHANGE WE NEED”…. MEANS WE THE GOVERNMENT COMES FIRST….
October 24, 2008 at 12:07 am |
I Thought Obama the Great was the UNITER of Mankind! He is the HOPE – He will Bring Unity- his great skill.
He’s done NOTHING of the sort- he is POLARIZING the country MUCH MORE than even Hillary (remember her??)
He clearly is the WRONG person for the job, even by HIS standards.
October 24, 2008 at 1:06 am |
Obama can change his birth certificate in HI if he has one.
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/amendment.html
October 24, 2008 at 1:18 am |
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY THAT THEY CAN BE TAKEN IN BY THIS SLY, CUNNING, ISLAMIC, RADICAL, SOCIALIST? HE IS WRONG FOR THE JOB AND GOD HELP US ALL. THIS GOVERNMENT IS SUPPOSED TO BE BY THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE….HE WILL DESTROY EVERYTHING THE CONSTITUTUION STANDS FOR!!!!! HE’S A LIAR!!!!!
October 24, 2008 at 1:24 am |
This is conservatism?-
Barack Obama SAID that in his book. He said he would side with the Muslims in any direction they went in. Have you read it? Guess not.
Also, have you heard the latest scandal? That he has a grandmother in Kenya who he did not mention because he did not want to be suspicious?
And he will not release his college records and Biden will not release his medical records? Apparently Biden had a brain scan done recently and obviously he doesn’t want people to know what was wrong. I would nto want a president that we constantly had to make excuses for.
October 24, 2008 at 1:26 am |
What????-
You have to be a NATURAL BORN citizen to be president…not just a citizen.
October 24, 2008 at 1:32 am |
I was a Russian linguist and intelligence analyst during the 80’s, and was stationed in West Berlin for several years while it was still occupied by the Soviets in the east.
I am sure that eventually the truth will be uncovered regarding Senator Obama’s real name and nationality. For me, this is beside the point at this time. I could never vote for anyone who does not qualify for a Top Secret SCI (codeword) security clearance. I could list at least a dozen reasons off the top of my head why Mr. Obama would NEVER qualify for such a clearance.
The last president we had that fit this scenario was Bill Clinton. Prior to being elected Commander-in-Chief, he could not have gotten a clearance to guard our latrine, let alone have access to classified information. What we got during the 90’s was a president who literally gave nuclear weapons to North Korea, and 21st century missile guidance technology (most NASA, amd many Department of Defense satellites were launched from China at this time!) to the Communist Chinese. The day one of these nations use a nuclear weapon, the blood of every victom killed will be on the hands of Bill Clinton.
I am absolutely mortified that Barrack Hussein Obama (aka Barry Soetoro) is on the cusp of becoming the most powerful man in the world. I wholeheartedly agree with Michael S. (hang in there good doctor, always remember and be comforted when you are down and tired, that you are doing God’s work.) that all candidates running for state or federal office should have to be held to a higher standard than those written into our constitution over 130 years ago. To include the same requirements any private/seaman/airman in the military must meet – FBI background checks, necessary security clearances, and mandatory drug testing at the very least. Senator Obama would NEVER qualify to hold public office if this were the case. Yet, 50% of America seems ready to hand over the keys to the White House to this Kenyan/Indonesian/Muslim? man who will not release his original birth certificate or even supply his previous addresses. I sincerely fear the damage this man will do to our national security.
October 24, 2008 at 1:34 am |
Katy—-
Have you read the book? I haven’t but I”m certain that your quote is inaccurate or out of context.
That’s ludicrous.
He has never ‘hid’ his grandmother in Kenya. What are you talking about?
Biden should release the brain scan just as McCain should release all his records. Perhaps we agree on that.
You’ve decide that this guy represents and embodies everything that you don’t like or scares you about the world, so it really doesn’t matter what reality is. He’s a Muslim, He’s a communist. He’s a terrorist. His college records prove that he is anti-American, etc… it’s an bottomless pit.
You see him as evil and will believe anything that confirms that belief and wont’ believe anything that goes against it. Reality is science-fiction.
This thought process is known as “fundamentalism.” It’s scary when it comes from Islamist goons an its scary when it comes from 16 year old Americans.
October 24, 2008 at 1:41 am |
Get a grip-
I think it’s scary when adults are just as blind as the kids at my school.
Obama doesn’t want to release his college records because he probably got aid from some negro fund because he is from KENYA. He doesn’t want anyone to know this…obviously…and that is the same reason why he is going to Hawaii. To get a real birth certificate by pulling some strings with the millions of dollars he has. McCain probably would release his medical records if he was asked to. Has he? I think not. And yes he does scare me because I’m not ready for a President who-
a) doesn’t know what he’s doing (inexperienced)
b) might not even be a natural born citizen
c) is associated with a terrorist and with Acorn
He has way too much suspicion and everyone just keeps making sad excuses for him. It’s unreal.
October 24, 2008 at 1:41 am |
This election’s got more loose nuts than a bag of trail mix–but at least it’s been entertaining! Quit wasting the court’s time and society’s money. Even your agenda doesn’t have an agenda, you’re just that lost.
October 24, 2008 at 1:51 am |
Katy-
You have deliberately lost connection with reality.
Obama is not a muslim, a terrorist, a communist or foreigner.
You are being lied to and you are lying to yourself as way to control the fear you have about the world.
You need to realize that YOU are making shit up in your mind about this and confusing this with reality. Do you know you are doing that? Are you hearing voices? If you are you should seek help.
What you are saying is the political version of paranoid schizophrenia.
I repeat: “You’ve decide that this guy represents and embodies everything that you don’t like or scares you about the world, so it really doesn’t matter what reality is. He’s a Muslim, He’s a communist. He’s a terrorist. His college records prove that he is anti-American, etc… it’s an bottomless pit.
You see him as evil and will believe anything that confirms that belief and wont’ believe anything that goes against it. Reality is science-fiction.
This thought process is known as “fundamentalism.” It’s scary when it comes from Islamist goons an its scary when it comes from 16 year old Americans.”
I’m out. I’m tired of arguing with you paranoids.
October 24, 2008 at 1:52 am |
I agree. Katy you are a loon.
As somebody said above:
“do any of you ‘real americans’ want to step up and disavow this insane naked racism? or just don’t care?
or don’t care enough to say anything? Ok whatever.
Thanks Kal. I’m afraid that so many words may be just noise to the EXCLAMATION MARK crowd.
This BS is not about rational thinking. They aren’t processing this. They make up boogeyman
scenarios about Obama bringing in nationalized healthcare and doubling welfare rolls (perhaps because they don’t understand or want to understand the complexities of the free markets that we all live in?)
And then have arguments with themselves as to why those boogeyman scenarios are bad.
This isn’t even politics anymore, it’s hysteria. It’s the reptile fight or flight part of the brain overriding millions of years of evolution.
They see that “their” America is changing into a different place. They honestly believe that America
was more or less white and safe for 190 years and then the liberals starting ruining things in the 60’s. They really do.
They want to go back to a USA that exists nowhere except as the tonic for their nightmares.
I’ve been trying to engage them for a few days and they won’t take. They are happy to announce that Obama is a sleeper muslim robot terrorist bent on transferring the deed to Iran, but refuse to speculate on the logistics of such a conspiracy.
Case in point:
“Most likely, (1) as he traveled under an Indonesia passport at 20 yrs old, he also applied to these universities as a foreigner for financial/admissions reasons. Come clean Obama … or wreck our nation. Actually, (2) those that vote him into office after knowing these things, (3) are the ones who will be to blame”
1. make up nightmare scenario
2. quickly rename rank speculation as fact
3. accuse those who ignore such “facts” of being dupes
This is classic reactionary thought process, going back the Birchers and then to the Protocols of Zion enthusiasts, etc.
“
October 24, 2008 at 1:53 am |
Get a grip-
I don’t see you proving me wrong. Is that the best you have? Calling me crazy? How mature.
October 24, 2008 at 1:56 am |
Isn’t it the job of each state election commission need to verify eligibility before a name can be placed on the ballot? What documents were used? I will be emailing my state’s election commission and asking this question. I think the silent majority has been silent too long and the rats, 60’s radicals and socialists are stealing the country while we continue to remain silent.
October 24, 2008 at 2:01 am |
i cant wait to see how msnbc and cnn spin this, hello fox,where are you ? kool aid stock must be high with all these people who think OHB ,OPPS sorry mike i mean OB is the one to run this great country. if these people think he should still be elected after this comes out , whats it say about the dems trying to sneak this guy in?
October 24, 2008 at 2:03 am |
Why isn’t the mainstream media covering this lawsuit? If Obama is not a natural born citizen, how can he be President? Why isn’t the FBI investigating Obama’s fraud? This has got to be the biggest news story in history!
October 24, 2008 at 2:04 am |
Wow!!!
No, no. He has not proven me wrong ONCE. All he is doing is SAYING that I’m wrong. Go back and read it. And if you would stop being so ignorant and believe only what the LIBERAL media says…mabybe you would see some other things that aren’t so AMAZING about Obama.
What has he done while he has been in the Senate?
October 24, 2008 at 2:14 am |
(Please forgive my earlier typos… I also meant to say the constution was written over 230 years ago, not 130. Thanks!)
October 24, 2008 at 2:30 am |
How did he get a Passport without an original Birth Certificate?
This should be front page headlines? Why isn’t it?
I’ll just bet when he comes back from Hawaii he magically has a Birth Certificate?
October 24, 2008 at 2:34 am |
So what if he is Anne’s adulterous bastard… how does THAT disqualify him from the Presidency? Besides, he was that as Barack Obama — since that “father” was still married to a Kenyan wife. Don’t we need proof that he was not US born? I expect the news that he is Frank’s kid will be met with more insipid liberal awe — now he is a BONA FIDE VICTIM — what liberals love BEST!!!! And what’s MORE, he’s the offspring of a gifted rebel, a legend! (Not quite Che Guevara, but not bad as folk hero criminals go). It’s no worse than the cigar and the blue dress in the oval office not so long ago. We need something of ATOMIC PROPORTION to de-throne the Acorn Messiah.
October 24, 2008 at 2:41 am |
Since when is it a sin to be A Muslim, Jew [as Savage is] Baptist etc, Say Micheal why did you change your last name, ashamed ? If Obama was not born in the U,S don,t you think Harvard would have known, the senate, or when he ran, the republicans would have jumped on this A.S.A.P
October 24, 2008 at 2:44 am |
Nancy-
Maybe because he had a fake BC?
October 24, 2008 at 2:48 am |
Dear “Get a Grip,”
Pardon my correcting you, but fundamentalism refers to individuals OF ALL SORTS who ascribe the the basic fundamentals of any particular philosophy. The networks have re-defined that as some sort of extreme bigotry. Granted, there are some ignorant people out there whose M.O. is hate and prejudice (which, incidentally means PRE-judging — judging BEFORE you have the facts). There are ALSO quite a few people in this country who have arrived that their feelings/beliefs/biases for legitimate reasons. I think that saying that people oppose Obama for president because he is black is lazy and naiive. People can feel RIGHTEOUS if they can label someone else as prejudiced and bigoted. I, for one, could care less if he’s black. It’s about time we had a QUALIFIED, QUALITY BLACK PRESIDENT. But someone who lies about who they are IS NOT IT !!!
Just what else will he lie about? That’s MY issue. Anyone who is overtly and deliberately a liar CANNOT AND SHOULD NOT BE TRUSTED.
October 24, 2008 at 2:56 am |
In the state of Missouri you can’t obtain a drivers license without a valid birth certificate, but you can run for President without having shown proof of BEING A NATURAL BORN US Citizen? So that raises another question, is he really as old as he says he is?
October 24, 2008 at 2:57 am |
I agree with JOHN WAYNE!!!!
He is hiding everything. Oh yea, what about all the years in Hawaii he spent with that communist, does anyone say anything about that one?
Oh, yea,,,when I was in the Air Force, I got a top secret pass. They delved into my life like nobodys business, so how can Obama even be running for president??? I couldn’t even associate with anyone with the likes of Bill Ayers, nor would I.
God help America
an Air Force Vet
October 24, 2008 at 3:00 am |
Isn’t it a shame how the liberal mind works? The very same people who claim to be tolerant of divergent points of view are attacking those who do not view the world in precisely the same way the liberals do. They claim to be the party for all, but, in reality what you see from the liberals in these posts here prove there are complete frauds. On top of that the are showing everyone who cares to see how simple minded they are. They are showing all of us they are not as smart as they think they are because they always resort to attacks to silence those who do not share their veiws.
You would think that they would be just as curious to find out the answer to Mr. Obama’s citizenship since he is the best chance they have to recapture the white house. Really what is the problem with any of the candidates providing proff that they are citizens of this country? If they are the proof could have be provided without much trouble at all. That would end all of this now wouldn’t it? Probably long ago in fact. Where there is smoke, there is fire for sure.
October 24, 2008 at 3:03 am |
Dear “Get a Grip,”
Pardon my correcting you, but fundamentalism refers to individuals OF ALL SORTS who ascribe to the basic fundamentals of any particular philosophy. The networks have re-defined that as some sort of extreme religious bigotry. Granted, there are some ignorant people out there whose M.O. is hate and prejudice (which, incidentally means PRE-judging — judging BEFORE you have the facts). There are ALSO quite a few people in this country who have arrived that their feelings/beliefs/biases for legitimate reasons. I think that saying that people oppose Obama for president because he is black is lazy and naiive. People can feel RIGHTEOUS if they can label someone else as prejudiced and bigoted. I, for one, could care less if he’s black. It’s about time we had a QUALIFIED, QUALITY BLACK PRESIDENT. But someone who lies about who they are IS NOT IT !!! Just what else will he lie about? That’s MY issue. Anyone who is overtly and deliberately a liar CANNOT AND SHOULD NOT BE TRUSTED.
October 24, 2008 at 3:06 am |
I had to show proof that I was eligible to work in the US, before I could start my job. Don’t people think it is strange that we aren’t shown proof of the men that are going to be working for us the proof that they meet the proper criteria.
October 24, 2008 at 3:09 am |
I agree with Rivercityrandog.
They are so “open minded” that they are close minded. Ironic?
Also…they are so “equal” to every race that they end up being overly equal to foreigners and racist to whites.
October 24, 2008 at 3:09 am |
Joe Biden does not hang out at home depot.
October 24, 2008 at 3:13 am |
JUST CHILL, USA. IT DOESNT MATTER WHO GETS IN OFFICE, AS LONG AS THE U.N EXISTS.
October 24, 2008 at 3:15 am |
it’s not about agreement or disagreement is about reality. he has produced the birth certificate
deal with it.
From there, it’ all X-Files. “it’s a fake,” “he’s kiling his gramma,” blah blah “insert conspiracy theory of the day here” You make up stuff and then freak each other out telling ghost stories.
we KNOW the answer to his citizenship. He HAS produced the BC. Whether you like him or not he
is an American, a Christian, not a terrorist. That’s just REALITY. You don’t have to agree with him or me or anybody, but if you have make up BS to do so then you need to question your own thinking.
Fundamentalism, Yes we are both right. from wikipedia: “Fundamentalism refers to a “deep and totalistic commitment” to a belief in, and strict adherence to a set of basic principles (often religious in nature), a reaction to perceived doctrinal compromises with modern social and political life.”
I said that the “make stuff up that fits your worldview and deny reality if it does not” is a thought process common to fundamentalists (islamist, communist, christianist, whatever)
October 24, 2008 at 3:17 am |
Sue
you ARE shown proof.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
You can insist against all reason that it must be a fake because Obama is from Kenya/Indonesia/Russia/Mecca/Mars whatever but that does not change REALITY
October 24, 2008 at 3:19 am |
Get a grip-
Prove it? I’m not saying I can…but neither can you. You cannot prove that he is NOT a terrorist and you cannot prove that his BC is NOT a fake. So therefore, you too, are making things up.
October 24, 2008 at 3:26 am |
Katy,
You do know why John (Keating) McCain has not attended even one of his family reunions don’t you? It is because he has black relatives. You speak of racism, & your dislike for a President to be one, yet you will somehow give McCain a free pass. BTW, his brother & other white members of his family do attend said reunion every year.
October 24, 2008 at 3:26 am |
I cannot prove that there is not an elephant hiding in the trunk of my car either.
I can look and see no elephant but maybe he’s hiding.
Maybe Obama is from France. Maybe he has 9 toes.
We could take a picture of his toes. We could post it on the net.
But then, I suspect some people would see that its a fake and that there is clearly a conspiracy to hid the fact that he has 11 toes.
This is like arguing with Creationists. I cannot prove that the world was not made by a giant white man with a beard over a few days 4000 years ago…(except that we can) so therefore it’s obviously true. This is what I mean. They already believe what you believe no matter what reality is.
It’s also like arguing with Islamists. You can prove to them till you are blue in the face that America is not the enemy, that Jews are not the enemy, but they have a mental block.
We cannot afford these kinds of mental blocks. Fundamentalism is a danger.
October 24, 2008 at 3:30 am |
For the record, I disagre with Holly that McCain is a racist. He may be a dick but i don’t think he’s a racist.
That said, you all should look at some of the insane white supremacist BS posted above, at least ONE
of you Righties should speak up and say ’screw that guy’
October 24, 2008 at 3:36 am |
Holly-
First of all, where did you hear that? One of your friends?
Second, when did I say that I liked McCain? Of course I prefer him over Obama but I don’t really think he was the best choice. I respect him greatly though for what he did for this country…and no one can disprove that.
October 24, 2008 at 3:54 am |
Katy,
I don’t take what my friends tell me as gospel, which is apparent of you. I do my research on the net, plus talk radio. I desist from listening to (fountain of mis-information) Hannity on Faux news, because of all the far right leaning neocons they have as guests, & if you believe that Obama isn’t qualified to run for President, I have a bridge to “nowhere” for sale.
October 24, 2008 at 4:01 am |
From reading all these posts it is clear to me that B.O. is a sleeper cell blending in as required waiting for his instructions once he is elected. Then just like the 911 terrorists used our own airplanes against us, he will use our own government against us. Because if he is elected, it’s clear that the effects of his policies on this country will make 911 look like a stroll in the park. We’ll come to think of those times as the good old days. Only time will tell if this is Scifi or Reality. Does anybody really want to take the chance that this Scifi can be confirmed by electing B.O. I for one would vote for Dumbo the elephant before I would ever cast a vote for Dumbo the Barack.
October 24, 2008 at 4:02 am |
McCain wasn’t born in the United States. He was born in Panama.
October 24, 2008 at 4:04 am |
Holly-
Far right people on Hannity & Colmes? What about the far left ones? How ignorant and baised can you be? And what makes you think that McCain can’t do just a good a job as Obama? Your opinion is different than mine and i respect that…but you need to know everything before you make your decision.
October 24, 2008 at 4:04 am |
MB-
On a millitary base…which is US soil. Give me a break.
October 24, 2008 at 4:10 am |
OBAMA MUST RESPOND TO THIS A.S.A.P.! If this is true Hillary Clinton should take Obama’s place!
October 24, 2008 at 4:10 am |
Pathetic! This is the RNC platform!! LOL!!!! Clear Channel Communications SUX
I respectfully refer to Michael Savage as Michael Weaner.
October 24, 2008 at 4:16 am |
Obama was not born in US and therefore he is disqualified for the Presidency. Even more important is that it proves he is a big fat liar and cannot be trusted. When are you guys going to wake up and admit that Hussein Obama is a FAKE and a FRAUD. It is hard to believe anyone would vote for this Black Muslim Militant Racist.
October 24, 2008 at 4:17 am |
Harold143-
Agreed.
October 24, 2008 at 4:19 am |
Yes, he may have show a BC – a FAKE one! He was born in Kenya (Family members have admitted to this) then flown to Hawaii where his parents registered him there. He’s going to Hawaii to obtain ‘new BC documents” not visit his last living grandmother because is has also been documented that he has another Grandmother living also. Obama is is another typical politician who lies lies lies to make a point until someone challenges him and then he has to lie some more to get out of the first lie….Frankly Obama ought to be arrested and his tongue removed.
October 24, 2008 at 4:26 am |
You guys on this blog should go get a job. Let us even assume Obama is a muslim, what happens to his bill of right that guarantees his freedom of religion? You guys do not know better than the FBI and the CIA, who would have looked into Obama’s backgroung as a member of the US senate and Serious presidential contender.
October 24, 2008 at 4:31 am |
Is Obama the Anti Christ? We are on the verge of a major shift in power, and who better to give it too. Mr.International The world love’s him!! Anti-Americans love him, The demonocrats love him… And Bush will welcome him with open arms.
If he wins, if he loses, lives will be lost.
Vote the end of freedom, Vote Socialism, Vote Obama.
October 24, 2008 at 4:39 am |
Any of us could (if we had the money to do so)hire a PI to follow any of us around, listen in on our tele calls; our conversations; pick through our garbage…why doesn’t savage or mccain or someone do just that? why isn’t someone bugging his g-mother? his sister? his brother?
The whole truth behind this all is that he had 30 days to respond to the OTSC and didn’t. He is in violation. He is an attorney and understands the simple basics of this. It is the courts responsibility to force him to comply or pay the price by finding him not a citizen by default of the court but is our responsibility to hold the courts accountable.
Why is it that certain sectors of the population can violate court order after order and not be held in contempt of said order?
Why is it that we the people continue to put people back into office that allow certain orders to be violated?
Now, if the OTSC was a child support order and BO was in violation of that they would have his face all over the newspapers and every other media outlet. They would take his license and jail him.
This man wants to lead our country. Well lets take his lead and claim we are following by example. If he has no respect for the courts and the laws, than neither should we.
Just like Gov. Patterson. All New Yorkers should follow by example and not pay our taxes for 5 years.
If BO does win what we all should do is quit our jobs and let the scum lawyers and bankers spread the wealth… to us.
This is a two way street and I’m tired of only being allowed to drive in one direction.
PS: in Saratoga County NY there is an incumbent family court judge with a 42% overturn appeal rate running for re-election and I still see his signs on peoples lawns. Can anyone out there tell me of another job out there where you could mess up at least 42% of the time and still collect a paycheck? In a few years his Judge buddy, who has an over 50% overturn rate will be running too. Why don’t the people demand that scum like this be thrown out of office?
We are to blame for this. We don’t run for office, we don’t vote, we don’t show up at protests, we don’t demand accountability, we don’t want to give up our Saturdays to help those who are helping us.
It’s time to stand together or we’ll all fall together.
October 24, 2008 at 4:41 am |
dbinpv and LOVERAGS–
I completely agree….He’s waiting for instructions from the Martians who are actually working for
Satan.
As soon as he gets into office he will sell Hawaii to Japan (just to make sure his real birth certificate is never found), will round up christians and put them in camps, and join Iran to drop nukes on Israel.
It’s so obvious. He has to be a Muslim because he has a Middle Eastern name, just like AC/Dc have to be bisexuals. It’s SO obvious.
October 24, 2008 at 4:46 am |
Now, nodoby is answering my question. I said what if Obama is actually a muslim, what happens to his constitutional right of freedom of religion?
October 24, 2008 at 4:47 am |
OK comrades,
I am unplugging from Planet Panic Fascism and gonna get some work done.
Don’t let the bed bugs bite (they are actually tiny muslim robots)
Be well. And yes I will still love you on the 5th.
October 24, 2008 at 4:50 am |
One last,
Dee you are right, but to this crowd Muslim = Radical Islam = Terrorist.
There is no nuance because nuance is for pussies. To them Obama = all weird global change.
“We are not here to debate the existence of monsters”
–Bart Simpson
October 24, 2008 at 4:55 am |
Katy,
I surely don’t want a hair trigger for a President, a person who cannot control his own emotions, do you? That kind of personality could lead us into world war 3. I respect his service, but that doesn’t make him qualified to be President. If he dies in office, God help us when falin Palin takes over. Now that is a scary thought.
October 24, 2008 at 5:01 am |
Look up factcheck.org and see behind the curtain. I followed the dots and guess who is behind the curtain? Yep. Obama and Ayers. Annenberg foundation. Guess again who both served on their board. You got it..
October 24, 2008 at 5:05 am |
You People are acting like idiots, aka This is conservatism?,
“listen… we forgive you. we need everyone to get out of the current situation. the best way for you to us both to show our patriotism is to put aside the ideology, stop calling each other ‘enemy’ and build a better America in a better world. Because… sorry to say, the Old America is gone. It just is. Sorry about that.”
Hmmmm…out of all your idiotic comments let’s start with this one. You almost sound as pathetic as some of your “professors” that you obviously took in college.
The great thing about liberalism is that it masks its ideology and racism behind the guise of uniformity, fairness, and equality. The truth of this new “progressive” movement is that it is essentially collectivism. The movement seperates people by convincing them that “groups” deserve certain rights. The MSM does a great job of promoting rights of women, gays, and minorities, as do Universities, legislation, and public policy. By doing this, the movement creates greater racism and divide amongst the people, especially among younger people. This is not conspiracy, it is fact. You seem like you’ve read a book or two, so perhaps you’ve read the works of Marx and Lenin.
People can refer to Obama as Marxist, socialist, communist, whatever, but no matter what “ideology,” it is still collectivism. You say that we need to set aside our ideology, but what you really mean is that everyone else needs to set aside theirs. You see, your belief system is your ideology.
The truth is, the policies that Obama is promoting are collectivism. People refer to Karl Marx (you could throw Lenin in here as well)because he had similar “ideology” as that of Barack. Spread the wealth around, give things for the greater good are all collectivist notions.
Collectivism recognizes that the good of the group, or the good of the society is more important than the good of the individual. It does not recognize individual rights. Collectivism does not promote freedom, but induces slavery. Why do you think that the founding fathers fought so hard to protect individualism? That is another ideology. It happens to be what this country was founded on. It is the ideology that the rights of the group are never greater than the rights of the people who comprise that group. This is true equality.
Now I don’t care what color Barack Obama is. You have used race in many of your arguments. So lets move beyond that one…the race card has been overplayed one too many times.
My question to you, oh lost soul, is what “better America” is there besides one that is free? Freedom is our foundation. Prosperity through hard work is our heritage. Love of country is our motto. This is conservatism at its core. This is what the republican party used to represent. To call yourself one is a mockery of MY “ideology.” But I’m not ashamed to admit what I truly believe and what I am. Don’t pass yourself off for something that you are not.
I am proud of the fact that I represent my conservative values in how I live my life. I love my country, and believe the constitution is not a living document, but a set of strict guidelines that we should follow even today. It is that document that guarantees our freedom.
The fact that you want to build a “better America in a better world…(because) the old America is gone” is admitting that you do not approve of the foundation of this country. You do not approve of the “old America.” You do not believe in individualism, freedom, or in a republican form of government. So instead of twisting arguments and confusing the issues, why don’t you come clean and tell us all what kind of “better” America you have in mind.
I’m guessing socialism, but I wonder if you REALLY know what that means. Because anyone who promotes collectivism truly doesn’t understand the danger until they get what they want…
October 24, 2008 at 5:06 am |
Thanks get a grip. If at least one person is rational on this forum, I will go to sleep tonight and sleep very well.
October 24, 2008 at 5:07 am |
Yes Obama is a Muslim. He was born i Kenya. His other Grandmother was in the delivery room.
He is a fake.
October 24, 2008 at 5:12 am |
Tibor, From the way you are so sure about Obama being born in Kenya, you sound like your grandmother was there as well to withness Obama’s birth.
October 24, 2008 at 5:12 am |
Dog,
You’re an idiot. You disrespect Michael Savage? The one man in the media that tells the truth? Now I see just how many idiots live among us. Obama is a Kenyan born alien & liar. He is not eligible to be president.
October 24, 2008 at 5:19 am |
Does anybody else see what I think I see? No stopping Illegal immigration. The Government spending 850 billion dollars to bail out Wall Street (Probably just a down payment). The Stock Market tanking, talk of another Economic Stimulus Package. Does anybody get the feeling the Government is purposely bankrupting the economic system so everybody is broke except for Paulson, Bush and all of their buddies (This includes Pelosi, Frank, Dodd) I wasn’t trying to be Partsian. Then the Feds declares Defacto and the dollar is worthless. Or am I smoking some good crack??? Th
October 24, 2008 at 5:22 am |
Wow, I am _so heartened to know there are others out there “like me.” We must get the word out to all that we can. Michael Savage is giving us a chance. I feel like a Freedom Fighter – like someone from 1700 America when our country was fighting the red coats. Obama is a Trojan Horse. I have known this for a long, long time. Let’s get the word out – insist that the other radio and Tv shows pick up this story – take a risk and email your friends – even your Liberal ones.. Travis Jackson is correct – call Obama a Socialist, call him a Marxist… (I call him a Communist) whatever you call him, he is a Collectivist – reminds me of a character in Atlas Shrugged.. God, we just _can’t let that Trojan Horse get elected..
Let’s not give up!
Snuffy28
October 24, 2008 at 5:22 am |
It is my understanding that Obamas grandmother stated that “she was present at his birth in Kenya, after which his mother promptly returned with her baby to the United States”. Now, suddenly Obamas grandmother, of whom, witnessed his birth in Kenya is extremely ill and may not survive the election on Nov. 4th. Huuuuuum, she is the only one left in his family that witnessed his birth in Kenya, huuuuuum.
October 24, 2008 at 5:28 am |
The xenophobia shown in the comments above are classic examples of why the American education system is clearly failing.
October 24, 2008 at 5:34 am |
liberals would have never formed this great country. liberals are scared sheep that fear sacrifice. if our forefathers would have been liberal the boat would have never left britain. therefore liberals are not american in any way, shape, or form.
i know all of you liberals cant wait for obamas handouts. once elected youll go and slip and fall in the streets, get put on disability by your united socialist doctor you dont deserve to see, get disability and pay no taxes while recieving massive welfare credits from your savior. in the end youll be better off than you have ever deserved to be. now you wont have to worry about your pesky job at 7-11 that dosent pay you enough for your brilliance and have to miss any more episodes of american idol.
note to liberals:
success is not a 40 hour a week position its a lifestyle.
mcdonalds was not supposed to be a career decision and now that it has become that dosent mean you deserve top dollar for your no skill having self.
people who really want to get ahead dont go home and watch primetime tv instead of putting in the extra effort to truly achieve any level of success. there are actually people out there who after a bad day on the frycooker try to earn thier salt and gain more than you through hard work instead of complaining. thats why (even if you truly are an american citizen) you deserve to deported along with you your families and your children to (garfield said it best) abhu dhabi. you will always be more of a drain on america and not an asset. riddens!
October 24, 2008 at 5:42 am |
Hey ALL look at the Obama, “birth cert” online. Lower left hand corner it says” OHSM 1.1 (rev.11.01) Laser. ”
Revised 01 ? Laser printer? HMMM I thought O’ scamus was born in 1961, how could he have a revised copy of his birth cert.? Just something to ponder.
Azmom
October 24, 2008 at 5:46 am |
unfortuanately those pesky details dont matter when your going to be the great savior of the middle class.
i just hope someone fries dont get oversalted tommorow over my comment!
October 24, 2008 at 5:50 am |
Barry Hussein Obama is one of the most dangerous weapons to the destruction of this great country. I am a vet along with my brother, father, father in-law, and both grandfathers. We did not serve this country only to have a Socialist borderline Communist MUSLIM extremist to throw us into the hellfire of the radical left. He was not born an American and is not legally entitled to be elected. The Left and the media along with the 200 million dollar donors from overseas will ensure he is neatly hidden away so he doesn not have to answer to the court. Our country as we know it is over. We will see how happy you liberal freaks are when you are beheaded in the streets of your own hometown for not accepting “Allah”. And you thought we were bad for believing in God and “clinging to our Guns.” Maybe we could have defended your morons from barry and his ilk if they hadnt taken our guns away. Good luck everyone….we are sure going to need it.
October 24, 2008 at 6:15 am |
Posted on latimes.com:
“For the people on this list who over-celebrated their graduation from the 8th grade, this certificate was obviously printed recently, not in 1961. Does that mean the info is false? No. If any of you have ever been to your county offices and asked for an official certificate of marriage or birth or other state recorded event, the certificate you get is not a xerox of the original certificate, but rather a laser printed certificate generated from data the county stores. But take heart, fellow 8th grade celebrators! All is not lost. Did you hear the new rumor? Turns out Obama is in a secret gay relationship with the radical Muslim chief record keeper of Honolulu county, thus explaining this obviously false document.
Posted by: Peter | June 16, 2008 at 10:35 PM”
October 24, 2008 at 6:45 am |
I’ll pay anyone $1,000.000.00 for Obama’s Birth Record from Kenya and be glad to do so to end his campaign to sit in the Oval Office. I thank you for your efforts and feel we all should be doing everything we can to to obtain this information, I’ll be working on it diligently.
October 24, 2008 at 6:57 am |
I HAVE HEARD THAT DEATHBED STATEMENTS CARRY A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF LEAGAL WEIGHT. What if Obama’s grandmother swears a dying statement that Barrack was born in Hawai’i? She is obviously the only person who could save him if there is no legitimate birth certificate.